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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wallets cannot be compared to voices. We each have one voice. Some people have one dollar, others have millions.

    The comparison is absolutely ridiculous.

    You can get an abortion without money. Lawyers work pro bono. none of those comparisons are anything like buying an election where another person will vote the way that you (the few) want against the opposition of (the many).
    Unbelievable.

    You actually think a law banning the payment of lawyers or abortion doctors would be constitutional.

    Seriously, think about that.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is oviously a superficial understanding of the issue... and that is of course, your right to express.
    superficial?.... are you f*cking kidding me?

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Do you understand how a lobbying group or firm functions?

    Do you understand how an Union functions?

    Do you not see similarities?
    Lobbyists can and do work for anyone who wants one. They are like lawyers. They simply represent someone, or a group of people, or whatever. Groups that you are a member of likely have lobbyists.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Talk about missing the point...

    A firm the specializes in lobbying for energy corps is not going to rep Kraft Foods.

    Lobby groups ARE collectives. They ARE corps in the same industry BANDING together and BUYING access and INFLUENCE.

    Get better informed before you respond and attempt to have a go around with me...
    As a former lobbyist, I think I know what I'm talking about.

    Some lobbyists work in firms and are hired on a contract basis, yes. Others are on the staff of the organization they work for.

    You are referring to associations, not lobbyists. Sure, they band together. Lots of people do that. It's another fundamental right. There are thousands of groups like that, from the NRA to the NAACP to the ACLU.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by snodog View Post
    No, voters are not dumb...easily manipulated and lazy perhaps but not dumb. Why let them vote? Because I agree with Churchill.... "Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the rest."
    Then stop treating them like they are dumb.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you left off a big ass chuck of lobby groups... such as the ACLU, NRA, etc etcetcetcetcetcetc... they lobby issues.. and their members are not corporations.
    industry lobbyists do exist, but they do not make up the bulk of lobbyists.

    when you start off with a flawed premise, you will inevitably end up with a flawed conclusion.
    Ten bucks says if he names all the groups he's a member of or has sent money too, one of them has a lobbyist. I'll look it up for him.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Your counterpoint was so filled with knowledge that I hardly know where to begin.

    OR...

    Perhaps you are just spouting off talking points and confusing others statements through projection?
    it's not my problem you won't entertain anything beyond your talking points dude....

    i'be had this debate hundreds or times...if you want to go at it, fine... just leave the memes and talking points to talking heads and other morons.

    I have centuries worth of precedents and reasoning to back my arguments.. i have the very basis for common law to back my position.. you wanna offer up a debate, go for it, but you had better open your mind to being wrong.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Would you support an amendment to the United States Constitution which would bar corporations and unions from financially contributing to elections?

    Why or why not?
    Basically, I voted "Yes", not because I believe an amendment to the constitution is required, but because a law barring corporations and unions from pumping money into elections IS required.

    Right now, we have the best congress union and corporate money can buy. Campaign contributions are nothing more than legal bribery, and the only people who can run for national office are the ones who find a rich corporate or union whore to bed down with in order to fill their campaign coffers. We need real, legitimate Campaign Finance Reform, so that every political party gets the same amount of public funding, and no more. We need a level playing field so that congress is filled with people who want to serve and are qualified to serve instead of those who covet only the power and money that being in congress can give them. Lobbyist money. Corporate money. Union money. Special interest money. You know, congressional bribes.

    I haven't read the rest of the thread... don't have to because I know exactly how I feel about this issue... but I do know that until we get all special interest groups out of congress, we will never have a government dedicated to the public good instead of their own good.

    Whores, pimps and thieves, the lot of them.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Ten bucks says if he names all the groups he's a member of or has sent money too, one of them has a lobbyist. I'll look it up for him.
    exactly....

    I understand the fear and loathing over lobbyists... it's something that is pushed on us nowadays .. " evil lobbyists"... but I do not share in that fear or loathing, I find it absolutely absurd.
    lobbyists do a ton of work for me and my issues through my memberships in differing organizations...and I certainly won't throw out the baby with the bathwater.... it's a very good baby, and the bathwater ain't too shabby either.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Basically, I voted "Yes", not because I believe an amendment to the constitution is required, but because a law barring corporations and unions from pumping money into elections IS required.

    Right now, we have the best congress union and corporate money can buy. Campaign contributions are nothing more than legal bribery, and the only people who can run for national office are the ones who find a rich corporate or union whore to bed down with in order to fill their campaign coffers. We need real, legitimate Campaign Finance Reform, so that every political party gets the same amount of public funding, and no more. We need a level playing field so that congress is filled with people who want to serve and are qualified to serve instead of those who covet only the power and money that being in congress can give them. Lobbyist money. Corporate money. Union money. Special interest money. You know, congressional bribes.

    I haven't read the rest of the thread... don't have to because I know exactly how I feel about this issue... but I do know that until we get all special interest groups out of congress, we will never have a government dedicated to the public good instead of their own good.

    Whores, pimps and thieves, the lot of them.
    I absolutely adore some special interest groups, and i'd be willing to wager big bucks that you do too.

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