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Thread: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Defense cuts are necessary, but we would be deluding ourselves if we thought that our entitlement programs did not need serious cuts and reform.
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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    They made a deal, I think the trigger should be binding.
    Yeah, I think so too. I'm tired of Congresspeople being cowards.
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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Defense cuts are necessary, but we would be deluding ourselves if we thought that our entitlement programs did not need serious cuts and reform.
    I don't think anyone's making that argument, DA, that there aren't needs to cut entitlement spending as well. As I see it, what's at issue is "Do you cut benefits many Americans have paid into over time and ARE entitled to because they've worked until retirement and are entitled to what they've paid into said social programs? Or do you eliminate the waste associated with these programs?"

    Frankly, I believe most people would agree to cutting the waste which in large part is what the President has shown a willingness to do. Of course, if you pay close attention to how the argument has been phrased lately, the issue has only recently turned from "cut entitlement spending" to "reform entitlement programs". And who has been leading that refocused charge? Here's a clue: It ain't coming from Blue-bird crowd. But perhaps it should...

    In any case, you have to pay close attention to what's being said coming out of Washington DC. Otherwise, it's real easy to get tripped up in the rhetorical blame game.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 11-28-11 at 06:52 PM.

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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    A deal is a deal.......any cut in the growth in spending is a good start. I hope the brainiacs here know the future nominal spending in any program will not actually decline. If our National security is diminished by this POS deal, people will die and those responsible for this deal should enjoy hell. Is it a wonder why most voters hate DC?
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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrMindSpeaker View Post
    how is making congress do their job throwing seniors under the bus?
    The Republicans have addressed none of the causes of our debt over the last 30 years - tax cuts, too much military spending and lack of US jobs creation. What they have proposed instead is more trickle down economics that has failed the middle class over the last 30 years. And to pay for the additional tax breaks for the rich they want, they have suggested to cut health and safety regulations, funding for education, Department of Energy and in Ryan's budget plan to cut retirement benefits to seniors.

    Cutting spending and increasing revenues does not require throwing our seniors under the bus as the Republicans claim it does, we just have to go after the sources of our debt over the last 30 years - unfunded tax cuts and and too much military spending, then raise the cap on SS and switch to a single payer health care system as the rest of the industrialized world has done.

    That is what Congress should be doing.
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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Republicans have addressed none of the causes of our debt over the last 30 years - tax cuts, too much military spending and lack of US jobs creation. What they have proposed instead is more trickle down economics that has failed the middle class over the last 30 years. And to pay for the additional tax breaks for the rich they want, they have suggested to cut health and safety regulations, funding for education, Department of Energy and in Ryan's budget plan to cut retirement benefits to seniors.

    Cutting spending and increasing revenues does not require throwing our seniors under the bus as the Republicans claim it does, we just have to go after the sources of our debt over the last 30 years - unfunded tax cuts and and too much military spending, then raise the cap on SS and switch to a single payer health care system as the rest of the industrialized world has done.

    That is what Congress should be doing.
    The teatards need not piss off the babyboomers, they are still the largest voting block and they are not stupid...they are paying attention....they could easily give this election to either side if you piss them off enough..

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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Republicans have addressed none of the causes of our debt over the last 30 years - tax cuts, too much military spending and lack of US jobs creation. What they have proposed instead is more trickle down economics that has failed the middle class over the last 30 years. And to pay for the additional tax breaks for the rich they want, they have suggested to cut health and safety regulations, funding for education, Department of Energy and in Ryan's budget plan to cut retirement benefits to seniors.J

    Cutting spending and increasing revenues does not require throwing our seniors under the bus as the Republicans claim it does, we just have to go after the sources of our debt over the last 30 years - unfunded tax cuts and and too much military spending, then raise the cap on SS and switch to a single payer health care system as the rest of the industrialized world has done.

    That is what Congress should be doing.
    I get it, we can not stop our downhill trajectory without a lot more socialism and entitlements that have been growing exponentially since the libtards began the war on poverty. Do you know the definition of insanity?
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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    They made a deal, I think the trigger should be binding.
    I honestly don't give a flying **** anymore, to be honest.
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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    They made a deal, I think the trigger should be binding.
    Obama promised to veto any changes.

    I support him 100% on this.

    If Congress doesn't want these cuts in 2013, they will grow the **** up, put blind ideology aside, and come up with a damn plan on their own.

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    Re: Do you support repealing the automatic trigger or changing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Defense cuts are necessary, but we would be deluding ourselves if we thought that our entitlement programs did not need serious cuts and reform.
    Entitlements don't need cuts, but they definitely need reform, no doubt about that. Social Security reform is easy. Raising the FICA cap for SS fixes that for the forseeable future.

    Medicare/Medicaid reform will require our eventually going to a single payer system to address the underlying cause of the cost to the government, the most expensive health care system in the world. Otherwise, the most expensive health care cost in the world will just get passed on to consumers, who cannot afford their share of costs already.

    The Republican alternative of an insurance mandate is just a bandaid for our current health care cost crisis.
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