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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Um, Liblady...

    If you're going by this as proof, then the ansewr would be no to both Grim AND to the OP.

    According to what you quoted, the Constitution is NOT the Supreme Law of the Land.

    The Constitution AND the laws of the united states AND all the treaties of the United States are the Supreme Law of the Land.
    Did you miss this "and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof" meaning laws made IN ACCORDANCE with the constitution, thus subjugating them to the constitution.
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    Did you miss this "and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof" meaning laws made IN ACCORDANCE with the constitution, thus subjugating them to the constitution.
    Didn't miss it at all, nor did I say that the laws in question wouldn't be subjugated to the constitution. However, the quote she stated clearly lays out that it is not JUST the constitution, but the laws (That yes, are made in accordance with what the constitution lays out) and treaties are ALSO part of what makes up the SLOTL.

    Just going off her quote, since she didn't deem it important enough to add anything more and felt that the quote alone stands on its own, to say that the constitution...and just the constitution...is the SLOTL would be incorrect. Based on the quote, the SLOTL is the Constitution, Laws that adhere to the Constitution, and Treaties.

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If that is the way you wish to define it then I question the constitutionality of police pepper spraying nonviolent protesters.

    Technically though, the Constitution is the "law of the land" as is stated in the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution. All laws must be "pursuant thereof" the Constitution. If you wish to define that as a "guideline" rather than Constitutional law, then that is simply the semantic game of the day.
    "The law of the land", as you put it, is a list of rules regarding what the government may or may not do. There are no laws in the Constitution.
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    "The law of the land", as you put it, is a list of rules regarding what the government may or may not do. There are no laws in the Constitution.
    If the Constitution forms the framework for all Government within the US, in fact if it is the framework upon which the nation was built, and all laws written and enforced by any level of government subject to that framework must comply with the strictures of the Constitution, how is it not the supreme/final word for all other laws? Failure to comply with the strictures of the Constitution makes any inferior law null and void, ergo the Constitution is supreme.
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    If the Constitution forms the framework for all Government within the US, in fact if it is the framework upon which the nation was built, and all laws written and enforced by any level of government subject to that framework must comply with the strictures of the Constitution, how is it not the supreme/final word for all other laws? Failure to comply with the strictures of the Constitution makes any inferior law null and void, ergo the Constitution is supreme.
    It is the supreme final word... it is just not the law of the land. Not law as in a legal sense, as was suggested.
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is the supreme final word... it is just not the law of the land. Not law as in a legal sense, as was suggested.
    I thought my assessment was correct this has devolved to a semantics argument. The Constitution while the final arbitrator of what is allowed to be a law, is itself not a law, so it can't be the "law" of the land. I get it.
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    I thought my assessment was correct this has devolved to a semantics argument. The Constitution while the final arbitrator of what is allowed to be a law, is itself not a law, so it can't be the "law" of the land. I get it.
    No. You have entered into a semantical argument.

    You were/are correct. I agree with you. It is the ones arguing semantics that I am correcting...
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Libertarians think the Constitution has the Posse Comitatus Act written in it, and Lefties think Commerce Clause gives them license to do whatever they want except regulating/taxing imports.

    Constitution means nothing, might makes right means everything.
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