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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you mean like when the SCOTUS stopped the perfectly legal & appropriate Presidential election re-count in early 2000?
    I wish they hadn't of stopped it. Bush still would have won and we wouldn't have had to put up with 8...sorry, make that 11 years of liberal whining about a stolen election.
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It wasn't, not really. There was still plenty of alcohol flowing, all the law did was make it criminal for it to flow, which meant that it ended up being sold by people willing to kill their competition. The same is true of today's war on drugs.
    So? There's still plenty of killing - are you then claiming that killing is a "natural law" not deemed wrong by the "general populace"?


    On paper, the Constitution is most certainly the supreme law of the land. In a court of law, it is most certainly the supreme law of the land. What you are not acknowledging is that the vast majority of the geography of this country lies outside of courtrooms, as does the vast majority of the workings of society. The supremacy of the law is a shared hallucination, as demonstrated during every riot or other social upheaval.
    So is your "natural law", the point is that the Law still trumps your "natural law" because it's more likely to be enforced with penalties for violations than something as badly defined as you seem to have in your mind.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I'm sorry, but what is your judicial background that gives you the ability to question the legal judgement of the 9 justices of the Supreme Court?
    Welcome to America. I can question their judgement all I want, especially when it is wrong.
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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So? There's still plenty of killing - are you then claiming that killing is a "natural law" not deemed wrong by the "general populace"?
    There's a significant difference between people breaking the law and widespread disregard for the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    the point is that the Law still trumps your "natural law" because it's more likely to be enforced with penalties for violations than something as badly defined as you seem to have in your mind.
    Enforcement of the "Law" is easier to see, easier to define, and easier to quantify than the consequences for violating natural law -- but don't mistake that for supremacy.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You might want to look at how many times the law of the land has effectively been changed -- in other words, the discontinuation or alteration of enforcement -- by a judge or panel of judges, and how many times the Supreme Court itself refers to natural law.
    I have and I know that the Supreme Court, any court, does not define "natural law" as you have defined it, which is why I deem your definition to mean less than nothing. Natural Law is a concept of natural justice that is not just "what the general populace recognizes as innately right or wrong" or "how society as a whole simply reacts", and if you understand Common Law, you would know that it is still subjugated to statutes - so all that brings us to the beginning: that the Constitution supersede all laws in the country, that your "natural law" is an imaginary set of morality that's not enforceable on anybody.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Welcome to America. I can question their judgement all I want, especially when it is wrong.
    oh of course you can!!

    but its kinda meaningless unless you have some judicial background or standing. but still, feeel free.

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There's a significant difference between people breaking the law and widespread disregard for the law.
    And how are they different? And how do they justify any of your arguement?


    Enforcement of the "Law" is easier to see, easier to define, and easier to quantify than the consequences for violating natural law -- but don't mistake that for supremacy.
    Well, sure, you have no evidence of its enforcement that's easy to see, define, or quantify, but by God it's supreme. I have heard all of that before from preachers, and vodo-artists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    I have and I know that the Supreme Court, any court, does not define "natural law" as you have defined it, which is why I deem your definition to mean less than nothing.
    Are you kidding me? Where the hell do you think the "self-evident truths" of the Declaration of Independence came from? Maybe you don't like the way I'm phrasing my definition, maybe the definitions as handed down by those who came before me used loftier wording, but they all essentially boil down to the same thing.

    The Court hasn't comprehensively defined natural law, even though it has referred to the concept on a number of very important occasions, because the Court has never needed to define it. It essentially amounts to what the people of the day generally see as being so obvious that a formal definition isn't required.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Are you kidding me? Where the hell do you think the "self-evident truths" of the Declaration of Independence came from?....
    contrary to popular misconception, the Declaration is in NO way law.

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    Re: Is the US Constitution the Supreme Law of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    And how are they different?
    Illegal and enforceable -- murder. Illegal but mainly unenforceable -- sodomy.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Well, sure, you have no evidence of its enforcement that's easy to see, define, or quantify, but by God it's supreme. I have heard all of that before from preachers, and vodo-artists.
    I don't have to demonstrate it because it happens all around us, every single day, but I've pointed to riots and social uprisings -- those are the most powerful and most visible manifestations of the enforcement of natural law, but the fact is it happens every day between individuals over far less momentous issues.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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