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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't see how such an argument is ignorant.

    Do you have an example of a strong, central government that is overwhelmingly respectful/supportive of civil liberties?
    Canada comes to mind....
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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    People don't vote for them because it's a waste of a vote with our current electoral system. Very few people actually believe that the republicans or democrats actually serve their personal views. They are just voting whoever is closer.
    THAT is the truly wasted vote, IMO. Voting for a person that you know you will still be dissatisfied with. I used to hold that belief, but now I've been disappointed so many times that I no longer see any value in it whatsoever. And what sucks is, I KNEW I was going to be disappointed, so I can't even claim to have been surprised.

    If you vote for somebody you really do like, you can at least hold your head up and and say, "It wasn't my fault. I voted for somebody who was actually qualified.".

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Canada comes to mind....
    When I think of centralized power, I think of dictators like those in North Korea, or authoritartian dictators like those of Stalinist Russia or Communist China in the 60's. Canada has not only a parliament, but also branches of power. Three, to be exact: executive, judicial, and legislative power so no, Canada does not count as a nation that has centralized power, of which freedom is taken away. Centralized power is the enemy of freedom, and nations with dictators are typically nations with centralized power.

    The Government of Canada, formally Her Majesty's Government,[1][2][3] is the system whereby the federation of Canada is administered by a common authority; in Canadian English, the term can mean either the collective set of institutions or specifically the Queen-in-Council. In both senses, the construct was established at Confederation, through the Constitution Act, 1867, as a constitutional monarchy, wherein the Canadian Crown acts as the core, or "the most basic building block,"[4] of the kingdom's Westminster-style parliamentary democracy.[5] The Crown is thus the foundation of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Canadian government. [6][7][8] Further elements of governance are outlined in the rest of the constitution of Canada, which includes written statutes, court rulings, and unwritten conventions developed over centuries.[9]
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    Furthermore under the Federalism part of that page:

    The powers of the parliament of Canada are limited by the constitution, which divides legislative abilities between the federal and provincial governments; in general, provincial legislatures may only pass laws relating to topics explicitly reserved for them by the constitution, such as education, provincial officers, municipal government, charitable institutions, and "matters of a merely local or private nature,"[43]
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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    I would welcome the dissolution of all political parties.... but it won't happen, so i don't spend much time worrying about it.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    People don't vote for them because it's a waste of a vote with our current electoral system. Very few people actually believe that the republicans or democrats actually serve their personal views. They are just voting whoever is closer.

    If more parties had a fair shot, you'd see a huge divide in power held by both current sides. There is a reason for that. It might take a little time for the new parties to balance out power, but that doesn't mean they are simply insignificant.
    The problem is that you couldn't add just ONE more party. Currently we have a Center-Left Party and a Center-Right Party. If you were to add another party, you would have to add at least a Far-Left and Far-Right Party, and possibly a Libertarian/True Center party (To be called the FenceSitter Party, which wouldn't actually have any core beliefs). At that point our system gets thrown totally out of whack because nobody could ever actually gain a true majority or get enough electoral votes to be declared President.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    When I think of centralized power, I think of dictators like those in North Korea, or authoritartian dictators like those of Stalinist Russia or Communist China in the 60's. Canada has not only a parliament, but also branches of power. Three, to be exact: executive, judicial, and legislative power so no, Canada does not count as a nation that has centralized power, of which freedom is taken away. Centralized power is the enemy of freedom, and nations with dictators are typically nations with centralized power.
    I think you're arguing theory. Totalitarianism is certain centralized, but to the extreme. What you are arguing is what I believe our country was intended to be, and what was attempted by the 10th Amendment, but the Commerce Clause effectively thwarted that and our country is now far more centralized than ever imagined by the founding fathers. A more accurate definition is more relative and less clear cut.

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