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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's ridiculous. All this bitching about how other parties don't "have their voices heard" or candidates who are isolated. The American people like their politics simple. Nobody is going to vote for the Communist party anymore than they're going to vote for the Constitutional party for the same reason nobody votes for Kucinich or Paul in any meaningful way. It's because they don't represent the mainstream. Republicans and Democrats represent the immediate interests of both their demographics. Nobody really gives a **** if you want to strike down the 14th or audit the Fed.
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    People don't vote for them because it's a waste of a vote with our current electoral system. Very few people actually believe that the republicans or democrats actually serve their personal views. They are just voting whoever is closer.

    If more parties had a fair shot, you'd see a huge divide in power held by both current sides. There is a reason for that. It might take a little time for the new parties to balance out power, but that doesn't mean they are simply insignificant.
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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't see how such an argument is ignorant.

    Do you have an example of a strong, central government that is overwhelmingly respectful/supportive of civil liberties?
    Britain. Germany.

    France. The United States of America. Canada.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Progressives want to go to a parlamentary system? Another one of those hillarious moments they're famous for.
    No Sir, not me. I like the current us vs. them system that we have. I would prefer the popular vote over the Electoral College, but I understand what it's like to live in a fly-over State, so no changes.

    We've had three party elections a few times in our history that were actually close instead of a just having a third party stealing votes from one of the two major parties.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    definitely not happy with two parties. i'd like to have several more choices.

    i think one of the key steps would be to redistrict the entire country state by state to address gerrymandering. also, we should take another look at the process of getting one's name on a ballot.

    long term, the two party system has resulted in a serious consolidation of wealth and power among a relatively small group of people. it's not working for the rest of us.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Britain. Germany.

    France. The United States of America. Canada.
    That's not centralized power.

    When I mean centralized, I mean centralized, as in an authoritarian dictatorship. Power is centralized in the dictator.

    Those examples you gave me aren't nations who have centralized power. America, as an example, has not only two political parties but different branches of office for the sole purpose of decentralizing power.

    Not sure what you're trying to say.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    I don't think another party would work with our system. In our electoral college system, a candidate needs to get 270 votes to become president. In a close election like the one in 2000 and 2004 if a third party comes in and takes away electoral votes the house of representatives would elect the president. I think we should just elect the president by popular vote.
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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That's not centralized power.

    When I mean centralized, I mean centralized, as in an authoritarian dictatorship. Power is centralized in the dictator.....
    sorry, but I am going by the common definition of centralized power.

    if you wish to redefine "centralized power" as to confirm your personal views, go ahead. But don't expect anyone else to play along.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sorry, but I am going by the common definition of centralized power.

    if you wish to redefine "centralized power" as to confirm your personal views, go ahead. But don't expect anyone else to play along.
    A centralized government is a government which controls all aspects of society from a central location or through a central system.

    With those examples you lsted there are many different branches/systems in order to decentralize power.

    If you want, feel free to make a thread about the matter.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    The only people happy with the two-party system are those in congress and ultra-partisian hacks. Campaign Finance Reform, where every candidate is given the same amount of taxpayer money and private donations are illegal would level the playing field, and stop corporations and unions from purchasing legislation.

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    Re: Are you happy with the current two party system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
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    People don't vote for them because it's a waste of a vote with our current electoral system. Very few people actually believe that the republicans or democrats actually serve their personal views. They are just voting whoever is closer.

    If more parties had a fair shot, you'd see a huge divide in power held by both current sides. There is a reason for that. It might take a little time for the new parties to balance out power, but that doesn't mean they are simply insignificant.
    I do not think that is it.I think the reason most people do not vote for 3rd parties is because they do not know they exist or even who the other candidates are. I bet if that you were to ask 50 or even a 100 random people on the street who are very knowledgeable when it comes to politics who Chuck Baldwin is, I bet most wouldn't know who he is and I can guarantee that during the next presidential debate the 3rd party candidates will be weaseled out by the media who plays a part is screwing 3rd parties.
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