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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    I can say I mean it when I say the pledge, but why the statement about Muslims?
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I can say I mean it when I say the pledge, but why the statement about Muslims?
    I don't understand the Muslim comment either.
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    I'd have clicked yes, but I don't like the Muslim part. Those who did not wish to say the pledge in school, always had a choice. We had a couple of Jehovah Witness kids in class. No-one hassled them for not participating.
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

    The pledge is made to the symbol of the USA and to the USA itself (to the flag and to the republic for which the flag stands). What’s the USA? One nation under God (one nation as far as God is concerned or one nation subject to God), indivisible (standing together in the world as 1), with liberty and justice for all (liberty and justice for all of its citizens – still talking about the USA, not liberty and justice for everyone in the world).

    By making the pledge, we are NOT saying that we will pursue liberty and justice for everyone in the world, although, personally, I think that if the cause is a noble one for our own people, it is also noble for us to help others achieve such a thing.

    By making the pledge, we are saying that we pledge our allegiance to the USA – something we should all do if we plan for our country to last. And, we’re making that pledge with the understanding that it is not USA over everything else – that the USA has certain ideals worth upholding in order to deserve our loyalty. The pledge isn’t binding upon the one who pledges if the USA should becomes so ethnocentric as to believe itself wiser or more lofty than God. It is no longer biding if we don’t stand, in the world, as a single unit. It is no longer binding if all of our citizens aren’t afforded freedom and justice.

    A pledge is a big deal. And, it’s right to come with conditions. I pledge my loyalty to you so long as you act in this way.

    Well, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I never said being deist means he doesn't believe in god. It just means he wasn't christian and wouldn't approve of evangelical right-wing nutjobs trying to shove god down our throats. And ben franklin was confirmed atheist. You are just taking some of his quotes out of context. Here are some quotes that summarize his hate for god.
    Really? What are these???

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    The nation is not under god and our atheist founders would be offended if they knew we put god in our currency and forced our children to make pledges to god against their will.
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    That is why the founding fathers were atheists. They decide to figure out the facts before they believed in a false theory. Eventually they did and rejected the belief in god.

    "My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself" (Autobiography, p. 66).

    "The time which I devoted to these exercises, and to reading, was the evening after my day's labor was finished, the morning before it began, and Sundays when I could escape divine service. While I lived with my father, he had insisted on my punctual attendance on public worship, and I still indeed considered it as a duty, but a duty which I thought I had no time to practice" (Ibid. P. 16).

    "When he explained to me his tenets, I found many absurdities which I refused to admit. ... Keimer wore his beard long, because Moses had somewhere said, 'Thou shalt not mar the corners of thy beard.' He likewise observed the Sabbath; and these were with him two very essential points. I disliked them both" (Autobiography, p. 40).

    "Revelation, indeed, as such had no influence on my mind" (Ibid, p. 67).

    "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

    "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
    You just proved yourself wrong. Congratulations. But I'll go even farther. Not one single founding father was atheist:

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    Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics (C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.
    A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[13][14][15] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[16] A few others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[17]

    Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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