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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Never said it in school. My folks were Jehovah's Witnesses and forbade me to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    Are there any hypocrites out there?

    Yes, even for Muslims.
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    I don’t recite the Pledge
    I think I can generally be said to mean it.
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    The nation is not under god and our atheist founders would be offended if they knew we put god in our currency and forced our children to make pledges to god against their will.

    Doubtful that the Founding Fathers would be offended by the reference to God on our currency.

    (No clue who our "atheist founders" were....???)


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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Doubtful that the Founding Fathers would be offended by the reference to God on our currency.

    (No clue who our "atheist founders" were....???)
    Ben franklin was an atheist and thomas jefferson was a deist.
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Ben franklin was an atheist and thomas jefferson was a deist.
    Ben Franklin was not atheist:Packard Humanities Institute: The Papers of Benjamin Franklin

    I Believe there is one Supreme most perfect Being, Author and Father of the Gods themselves.
    And if you think being a deist some how means Jefferson doesn't believe in God, then you really need to read up on what deism is:

    Deism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    99percenter thinks all the Founding Fathers were atheists or deists. We've tried to inform him, but he wants to believe what he wants to believe.

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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    When taking the Oath of Office for President or Congressperson, do they take the part about upholding the Constitution seriously?

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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you know how old you are?
    According to my nieces "older than the hills" :P (36 actually)
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    I say it with meaning and conviction. IMHO if each of us strove to live to this ideal all the complaints I've read in this thread about our nation's "faults" would disappear.
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    Re: Do You Really Mean It When You Recite The Pledge Of Allegiance “With liberty and.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Ben Franklin was not atheist:Packard Humanities Institute: The Papers of Benjamin Franklin



    And if you think being a deist some how means Jefferson doesn't believe in God, then you really need to read up on what deism is:

    Deism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I never said being deist means he doesn't believe in god. It just means he wasn't christian and wouldn't approve of evangelical right-wing nutjobs trying to shove god down our throats. And ben franklin was confirmed atheist. You are just taking some of his quotes out of context. Here are some quotes that summarize his hate for god.

    "My parents had given me betimes religions impressions, and I received from my infancy a pious education in the principles of Calvinism. But scarcely was I arrived at fifteen years of age, when, after having doubted in turn of different tenets, according as I found them combated in the different books that I read, I began to doubt of Revelation itself" (Autobiography, p. 66).

    "The time which I devoted to these exercises, and to reading, was the evening after my day's labor was finished, the morning before it began, and Sundays when I could escape divine service. While I lived with my father, he had insisted on my punctual attendance on public worship, and I still indeed considered it as a duty, but a duty which I thought I had no time to practice" (Ibid. P. 16).

    "When he explained to me his tenets, I found many absurdities which I refused to admit. ... Keimer wore his beard long, because Moses had somewhere said, 'Thou shalt not mar the corners of thy beard.' He likewise observed the Sabbath; and these were with him two very essential points. I disliked them both" (Autobiography, p. 40).

    "Revelation, indeed, as such had no influence on my mind" (Ibid, p. 67).

    "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

    "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
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