• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    Votes: 11 14.5%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    Votes: 20 26.3%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    Votes: 17 22.4%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    Votes: 28 36.8%

  • Total voters
    76
  • Poll closed .
These are real bills that Democrats put up to address our real problems and voted for with a majority of their party. That is what Congressmen do that represent the majority of the country.

What bills have the Republicans put up to solve any of the nation's problems???

That represent the majority of the country?

There is our problem right there....

Senators and Congressmen are not required to represent the majority of the country.
 
That represent the majority of the country?

There is our problem right there....

Senators and Congressmen are not required to represent the majority of the country.

Senators and Congressmen are required to represent their constituents (if they wish to be reelected).

The majority of their constituents have said they want to eliminate the tax breaks for the rich, stop outsourcing jobs, re-regulating the banks, and they want Obama's jobs plan passed.
 
what can a person do with "progressiveness" exactly?

How can "progressiveness" benefit them?

I explained that to you in my earlier post.

Please note, I stated those unemployed who would rather camp than go out and find jobs and get employed.

I've seen no "unemployed who would rather camp than go out and find jobs and get employed."

Unemployed people pay nothing in income taxes........ so the tax rate of themselves and others does not affect them....

That's why a majority of people support the American Jobs Act, an alternative to welfare until enough consumer demand can be created for increased production by the private market.
 
Senators and Congressmen are required to represent their constituents (if they wish to be reelected).

The majority of their constituents have said they want to eliminate the tax breaks for the rich, stop outsourcing jobs, re-regulating the banks, and they want Obama's jobs plan passed.

How do you know?
 
How are tax increases on the wealthy going to help the unemployed who would rather go camp out than keep working to find a job?

Returning to some of the progressiveness that has been cut over the last 30 years, makes it easier on the middle class that are being forced into poverty at an alarming rate. Eliminating the tax breaks for companies for outsourcing jobs will have an immediate impact on jobs lost to overseas investment by greedy businesses.

I've seen no "unemployed who would rather camp than go out and find jobs and get employed."
Really?



OWS aren't like working people..

They want hand outs.... not reduced taxes on middle class and increased taxes on upper class.....

They have NO business talking about taxation....

If they can afford to camp out for 8 weeks straight.... they aren't paying taxes.
 
I think the frustration they represent is something that is shared by a large portion of the 99%, but most of the specific ideas coming out of OWS are only representative of a small portion of the country. Of course it's impossible for any group to be representative of 99% of the country: just now saw some girl on the news saying "I have $100000 in debt because I had to pay for an education which should have been free." Don't lump me in with someone so ridiculous just because we're both in the same age group and both relatively poor. I certainly don't think a college education should be free (though I wouldn't be against tuition going down :D). If I can't get a job after college, shame on me for choosing a dead-end field of study.
 
Well with the attention they are getting due to violence etc add to that no clear message or anything really. I would have to say the bulk of the movement representative about 20% of the people on the fringe.

Just a guess but what the hell.
 
How do you know?

Because, there are about 20 polls that say the same thing, and have you noticed the people protesting in the streets, willing to be arrested over this ****?
 
Last edited:
Because, there are about 20 polls that say the same thing, and have you notice people protesting in the streets, willing to be arrested over this ****?

Yes, they're willing to be arrested for assaulting police and bystanders, as well as doing drugs and denying access to public areas to thousands
 
Really?



OWS aren't like working people..

They want hand outs.... not reduced taxes on middle class and increased taxes on upper class.....

They have NO business talking about taxation....

If they can afford to camp out for 8 weeks straight.... they aren't paying taxes.



They are unemployed because the "job creators" aren't using their tax cuts to create jobs. Hell of good reason to eliminate those tax cuts, wouldn't you say?
 
They are unemployed because the "job creators" aren't using their tax cuts to create jobs. Hell of good reason to eliminate those tax cuts, wouldn't you say?

Nope, they're unemployed because they're all protesting out there and making a humiliation of themselves instead of getting a job
 
Yes, they're willing to be arrested for assaulting police and bystanders, as well as doing drugs and denying access to public areas to thousands

We have thousands of arrests for civil disobedience for patriotically standing up for their beliefs. vs a handful of arrests by trouble makers that have infiltrated the movement. It must infuriate those on Wall Street that these protesters without the benefit of big money are changing the political debate in this country to the concentration of wealth and power and its negative effect on the people and the economy.
 
Nope, they're unemployed because they're all protesting out there and making a humiliation of themselves instead of getting a job

So it was the protesters that brought about our 9% unemployment and not the Bush Recession?
 
We have thousands of arrests for civil disobedience for patriotically standing up for their beliefs. vs a handful of arrests by trouble makers that have infiltrated the movement. It must infuriate those on Wall Street that these protesters without the benefit of big money are changing the political debate in this country to the concentration of wealth and power and its negative effect on the people and the economy.

Yeah, standing up patriotically for their beliefs are okay as long as they don't assault or vandalize.
I'm sure that hundreds of "infiltrators" also exist and have false backgrounds
 
Yeah, standing up patriotically for their beliefs are okay as long as they don't assault or vandalize.
I'm sure that hundreds of "infiltrators" also exist and have false backgrounds

In any protest movement of any size there will be some trouble makers. Even Gandhi could not maintain perfect non-violent protests, especially in the beginning.

From what I have observed of the protests happening around the world today, ours are the most peaceful.
 
In any protest movement of any size there will be some trouble makers. Even Gandhi could not maintain perfect non-violent protests, especially in the beginning.

From what I have observed of the protests happening around the world today, ours are the most peaceful.

OWS is the most peaceful? :lamo
 
OWS is the most peaceful? :lamo

According to all the news reports I have seen, the protests going on today worldwide have been much more violent. Which of the worldwide protests can you point to that have been less violent?
 
According to all the news reports I have seen, the protests going on today worldwide have been much more violent. Which of the worldwide protests can you point to that have been less violent?

Korean protests against university fees, Korean protests against the FTA, etc...
There are lots more, but they are only Korean protests. That's because the mainstream media, as well as its audiences, prefers more violent and radical protests. The OWS fits perfectly, so that's why it became famous
 
Korean protests against university fees, Korean protests against the FTA, etc...
There are lots more, but they are only Korean protests. That's because the mainstream media, as well as its audiences, prefers more violent and radical protests. The OWS fits perfectly, so that's why it became famous

So I will have to take your word that Korean are the only protests on the planet that are more non-violent than the OWS protests?

uh oh, what's this:

"SEOUL, South Korea — The government of President Lee Myung-bak sealed off major rallying points in central Seoul on Sunday after hundreds of citizens and police officers were injured during a protest against United States beef imports.

Police buses cordoned off plazas and intersections where large crowds have gathered almost daily since early May to demand that the government renegotiate the deal. Police officers blocked subway entrances and alleys leading to those rallying points.

Still, protesters broke into several groups of hundreds and marched Sunday evening, engaging in sporadic shoving matches with the police.

Justice Minister Kim Kyung-han said in a statement on Sunday, “We will chase those who instigate violent protests and those who use violence to the end and bring them to justice.”
Beef Protest Turns Violent in South Korea - NYTimes.com


"Union leader warns of violence during G20 protests in South Korea"
Union leader warns of violence during G20 protests in South Korea - CSMonitor.com

"S. Korea: Protests turn violent near APEC venue(Photos of Pinkos Acting Up)
S. Korea: Protests turn violent near APEC venue(Photos of Pinkos Acting Up)
 
It seems clear enough that what the “Occupy” movement is really all about is the eternal struggle between makers and takers.

Makers are those of us who do productive work, who create wealth, and who contribute to the economy and to society.

The “Occupy” movement does not represent us.

The “Occupy” movement represents takers—those who contribute little or nothing to society, and who want to take from those of us who do. They want us makers to support them, as well as ourselves.
 
Korean protests against university fees, Korean protests against the FTA, etc...
There are lots more, but they are only Korean protests. That's because the mainstream media, as well as its audiences, prefers more violent and radical protests. The OWS fits perfectly, so that's why it became famous

When I was stationed in Korea in 2002 I remember Korean protests involving Molotov cocktails.

Camp Red Cloud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Korean protests against university fees, Korean protests against the FTA, etc...
There are lots more, but they are only Korean protests. That's because the mainstream media, as well as its audiences, prefers more violent and radical protests. The OWS fits perfectly, so that's why it became famous
Not because the main stream media is in the US and Korea is about the size of Mississippi?
 
Because, there are about 20 polls that say the same thing, and have you noticed the people protesting in the streets, willing to be arrested over this ****?

Don't talk to me about people willing to be arrested over ANYTHING.

I have first hand knowledge of the types of idiocies people are willing to get arrested over........

And that attitude does NOT impress me in the slightest....
 
funny, as so far OWS's only course of action is to occupy parks and have tossing matches with the po-po.
Tossing matches ?
Is this not what apes do ???
Ugh....in spades.
I really do not know what this OWS is all about.
I do know that things are not as good as they should be.
99% , meaning an income of less that $380K ??
Something is seriously wrong...I do OK on less than $30K..
We may have 5% of our people on zero $ and this is the crux of the problem..
Lets change this to 90%...
 
Back
Top Bottom