View Poll Results: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    24 18.32%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    30 22.90%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    23 17.56%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    54 41.22%
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then why do they vote for the party that increased middle class tax rate to provide lower tax rates for the rich?
    What does voting have to do with what you said?

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    What does voting have to do with what you said?
    It was my response to your statement here:

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    But it does sound like you are suggesting that the middle class is paying to much in taxes. I am sure there are some Conservative's that would agree with you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then why do they vote for the party that increased middle class tax rate to provide lower tax rates for the rich?
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It was my response to your statement here:
    Ok then show exactly how much more the middle class is paying as the direct result of the "lower tax rates for the rich".

    And as I was saying before how much taxes are the middle class paying for helping the poor? Again that is not an assertion to tax the poor, just that they fit into the equation also.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And I ask again...... Taxing wealthy people is going to put people to work how?
    the money can be used to pay for tax-breaks for the Middle-class. Those tax-breaks lead to more spending, which leads to more jobs.

    giving the rich a tax-break leads to ZERO new jobs.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Ok then show exactly how much more the middle class is paying as the direct result of the "lower tax rates for the rich".
    The Truth-O-Meter Says:

    "The "mega-rich" pay about 15 percent in taxes, while the middle class "fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot."
    PolitiFact | Warren Buffett says the super-rich pay lower tax rates than others

    And as I was saying before how much taxes are the middle class paying for helping the poor? Again that is not an assertion to tax the poor, just that they fit into the equation also.
    As you can see from the tax rates, the middle class pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes, of which programs for the poor (and all other programs) are paid with.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Truth-O-Meter Says:

    "The "mega-rich" pay about 15 percent in taxes, while the middle class "fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot."
    PolitiFact | Warren Buffett says the super-rich pay lower tax rates than others



    As you can see from the tax rates, the middle class pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes, of which programs for the poor (and all other programs) are paid with.
    Did you read the disclaimer at the end?

    One final note: People who don't pay any income tax at all tend to have limited incomes, or they qualify for enough deductions -- think of child tax credits and mortgage interest -- that they have no income. When Buffett talks about people in the middle class who pay more taxes than he does, he's thinking of people who make much higher than average salaries.

    So when it comes to Buffett's statement, there are two categories: the rich and the really rich. And the evidence tends to point to the conclusion that the really rich pay less in taxes as a percentage of income then their merely well-to-do counterparts -- if their income comes primarily from investments. Overall, we rate Buffett's statement True.
    Last edited by FreedomFromAll; 12-13-11 at 08:00 PM.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Did you read the disclaimer at the end?
    Yes, I did. It emphasizes my point, the mega rich, if their income comes primarily from investments (because of the Bush tax cut on Capital Gains) pays a lower tax rate than the middle class.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I did. It emphasizes my point, the mega rich, if their income comes primarily from investments (because of the Bush tax cut on Capital Gains) pays a lower tax rate than the middle class.
    You left out the important part. That the middle class that Buffet is talking about are not really the average middle class tax payer, they are rich.
    "So when it comes to Buffett's statement, there are two categories: the rich and the really rich. And the evidence tends to point to the conclusion that the really rich pay less in taxes as a percentage of income then their merely well-to-do counterparts"
    In other words this source that you linked does not back up your claims and you need to find another one.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You left out the important part. That the middle class that Buffet is talking about are not really the average middle class tax payer, they are rich.

    In other words this source that you linked does not back up your claims and you need to find another one.
    This is the statement Politifact rated as true:

    "The "mega-rich" pay about 15 percent in taxes, while the middle class "fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot."
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This is the statement Politifact rated as true:

    "The "mega-rich" pay about 15 percent in taxes, while the middle class "fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot."
    You are still ignoring that its the upper middle class they are talking about. By average standards they are rich.

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