View Poll Results: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    24 18.32%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    30 22.90%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    23 17.56%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    54 41.22%
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You think the progressive tax rates under Nixon were socialistic, that's conservative.

    You think we don't need the regulation we once had that prevented commercial banks from combining with investment banks. That's conservative.

    You think having most of the country's wealth concentrated at the top is hunky dory. That's conservative.

    You think protesting non-violently against the great wealth disparity in this country is bad thing. That's conservative.
    Translation:
    If you are not a communist, you are a conservative
    If you don't support OWS, you are a conservative
    If you don't think that everybody should be provided free welfare, food stamps, and health care with no conditions such as paying taxes, having jobs, or passing drug tests, you are a conservative
    If you don't think that the rich should be taxed at 110%, you are a conservative
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The protesters envision a world with the the fairness and justice in the banking world and progressive taxation as we had in the 1950's in this country that made the middle class the strongest in our history.

    If you want to call the 1950's in the US, Marxist, it seem fairly obvious that you view the world from an extreme perspective.
    Medicare, WIC and foodstamps didn't exist in the 1950's. So you think those programs should go.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    How is taxation going to give them a job?
    How is it going to put food on their families table?

    Why are you still so focused on taxation of people who make more money than you.... is it some form of penis envy?
    So you don't understand that for a consumer economy to work, consumers need money to consume?
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Translation:
    If you are not a communist, you are a conservative
    If you don't support OWS, you are a conservative
    If you don't think that everybody should be provided free welfare, food stamps, and health care with no conditions such as paying taxes, having jobs, or passing drug tests, you are a conservative
    If you don't think that the rich should be taxed at 110%, you are a conservative
    The 1950's in the US was communist ???? I submit those that think the 1950's in the US was communist, are ultra far right.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Medicare, WIC and foodstamps didn't exist in the 1950's. So you think those programs should go.
    I was referring to the goals of the Occupy movement regarding progressive taxation and re-regulating the banks.

    Medicare was conceived of by Harry Truman in 1945.

    "1945 Harry Truman sends a message to Congress asking for
    legislation establishing a national health insurance plan."
    Brief History of Medicare
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you don't understand that for a consumer economy to work, consumers need money to consume?
    Is the government the only consumer?
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Is the government the only consumer?
    I am referring to the middle class in this country. The ones that are paying higher taxes to enable tax breaks for the 1%.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am referring to the middle class in this country. The ones that are paying higher taxes to enable tax breaks for the 1%.
    So this is penis envy then.

    Unless you can show me the RATE (percentage) of taxation is higher for those who make more than for those who are considered "middle class" you have no argument on this new goalpost move.

    Besides.... instead of arguing your point by saying, "We need to tax the 1% more! Why don't you be honest and say, WE NEED TO LOWER TAXES On the Middle class! Oh... wait.... wouldn't want to do that, then you'd have to admit the Tea Party is right in many respects.

    Saying the 1% needs to pay more taxes doesn't fix the problem... its only half the problem. All that tax money is just going to the government. Unless of course, you are suggesting we Robin Hood them.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am referring to the middle class in this country. The ones that are paying higher taxes to enable tax breaks for the 1%.
    You could also point out that the middle class pays taxes so the those in poverty do not need to pay all of their taxes.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So this is penis envy then.

    Unless you can show me the RATE (percentage) of taxation is higher for those who make more than for those who are considered "middle class" you have no argument on this new goalpost move.
    "The "mega-rich" pay about 15 percent in taxes, while the middle class "fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot."


    Besides.... instead of arguing your point by saying, "We need to tax the 1% more! Why don't you be honest and say, WE NEED TO LOWER TAXES On the Middle class! Oh... wait.... wouldn't want to do that, then you'd have to admit the Tea Party is right in many respects.
    I supported the payroll tax cut for the middle class by the Democrats, and I support the Democrats bill to increase and extend the middle class payroll tax cut.


    Saying the 1% needs to pay more taxes doesn't fix the problem... its only half the problem. All that tax money is just going to the government. Unless of course, you are suggesting we Robin Hood them.
    No, I am suggesting we return tax rates for the rich closer to what they were under the Republican Presidents, Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford.
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