Thread: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

read it again slowly.

it appears you are unable to point it out

just wave the white flag of surrender

Originally Posted by justabubba

it appears you are unable to point it out

just wave the white flag of surrender

Let those who have eyes see.

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

Let those who have eyes see.

brother. i am SO sorry
i did not realize you were blind
THAT explains why you are unable to point out the hypocrisy you insist was present in my post

i made my posts that you were without the ability to articulate your claim under the assumption you could actually read what was posted and thus respond by pointing out out to us what portions of what was stated should actually be found hypocritical, and why. your blindness explains that inability and i genuinely apologize for not knowing of your lack of sightedness [/s]

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

You don't see the hypocricy in your post, do you?

I seems to me that he was pointing out the Rev's talk of "reigh wing" hatred and then working himself up to a frenzy to spew hate himself.

Originally Posted by justabubba

brother. i am SO sorry
i did not realize you were blind
THAT explains why you are unable to point out the hypocrisy you insist was present in my post

i made my posts that you were without the ability to articulate your claim under the assumption you could actually read what was posted and thus respond by pointing out out to us what portions of what was stated should actually be found hypocritical, and why. your blindness explains that inability and i genuinely apologize for not knowing of your lack of sightedness [/s]

but Cat, the opposition so NEEDS a tangible entity to hate
and an identifiable head of that entity to rail against
as well as a stated platform to ridicule
all because they realize they are unable to make any sense of their reich wing, teabagging dogma
while history has proven them wrong and misguided

You don't find your chortling at least a bit ironic?

Originally Posted by Meathead

I seems to me that he was pointing out the Rev's talk of "reigh wing" hatred and then working himself up to a frenzy to spew hate himself.

It was fairly obvious.

Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und

It was fairly obvious.

Apparently not to that other guy.

Moderator's Warning:

Guys, play nice. Don't make me pull this thread over. I will if I have to.

Originally Posted by justabubba

but Cat, the opposition so NEEDS a tangible entity to hate
and an identifiable head of that entity to rail against
as well as a stated platform to ridicule
all because they realize they are unable to make any sense of their reich wing, teabagging dogma
while history has proven them wrong and misguided

That is becoming more and more obvious isn't it?

Originally Posted by justabubba

one who insists they don't have a political lean while advocating for a right wing position

Ah yes the accusation that I am an Right winger how daft of you. It is interesting that you believe that only Right wingers are opposed to OWS yet assert that OWS is not a Leftist movement. BTW please point out just what makes what I have said about OWS a Right Wing position?

share with us the characteristics you have identified which allows the Occupy movement and ALL of its participants to automatically be found to exhibit/possess a left lean

Well either you have no clue what makes something Left or you simply are, or perhaps you believe that the lie that OWS is not Leftist?here are some of the things that boxes OWS into being in the very least a Left leaning movement:

Collectivism. The entire OWS process is self described as collectivism.

Redistribution of wealth. OWS asserts the practice of redistribution of wealth as their main goal.

Environmentalism. OWS makes it clear that they promote sustainability of the environment.

Labor Unions OWS is in solidarity with labor unions.

But lets just read the official and recognized by the occupy movement internationally declaration:

As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*
To the people of the world,

We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

Join us and make your voices heard!

*These grievances are not all-inclusive. Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

Dont mistake though that OWS is promoting the Democratic party. OWS is actually fighting both dominate political parties and the entire structure of our Government. ANd here is the proof:

A proposal of the Politics and Electoral Reform group at Occupy Wall Street

Government of the people, by the people and for the people has been transformed into government of the people, by the parties, for entrenched interests. The centralization of political power in the hands of two narrow political factions at all levels of government is neither democratic nor republican. No party system whatsoever is mandated by the U.S. Constitution. The two-party system is incapable of providing adequate representation for the many diverse interests constitutive of the American electorate. Lawmakers representing these entrenched factions have rigged our electoral system to ensure their continued monopoly on public office in the United States. Our government does not represent the interests or will of the people. It is time to institute free and fair elections in the United States.

In the federal system, the states are the laboratories of democracy. We urge the people of states, localities, and General Assemblies nationwide to begin a series of bold new experiments in democratic self-government. We urge assemblies across the country to deliberate on radical reforms that can help break the ruling political monopoly in government through free and fair elections, and put people before parties. We urge the people of states, localities and general assemblies nationwide to demand the implementation of electoral reform and begin a series of bold new experiments in democratic self-government, from the bottom up.

Draft Proposal for Saturday 12/9 General Assembly: Politics and Electoral Reform | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

(The bold parts are their doing not mine) Then they go on and introduce the changes that they want.

then we have the "Vision Statement draft that the Visions and Goals committee created by consensus of the NYCGA themselves. Vision & Goals | Forum | FEEDBACK on the DRAFT vision statement presented at the GA on 12/4 | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

DRAFT VISION STATEMENT
12/4/11 Consensed V&G Group Vision

What follows is a living document that will be revised through the democratic process of the General Assembly.

From the General Assembly of the Occupy Wall Street movement, to the People of the World, we offer a Declaration of our Vision.

Mic Check: We are the 99 %.

System Check: The system is broken.

Fact Check: The environment is collapsing.

Reality Check: There must be change.

We envision a truly free, democratic, and just society, built on the following principles:

Liberty: whereby we secure the civil and human rights of all against violation or infringement, particularly by unchecked corporate power and unjust governments;

People Power: whereby government, in every form and at every level, exists by the will of those governed. In this new world neither wealth nor history alone will justify power;

Solidarity: whereby all people come together to make decisions through consensus; a process by which everyone’s voice is heard, and no one is marginalized.

Accountability: whereby all who reap society’s benefits accept a fair share of their responsibilities;

Fairness: whereby political and economic institutions work to benefit all. We dare to propose that the social, economic and political systems be reviewed and revised where they no longer function in the interest of all;

Peace: whereby we learn to live in harmony and embrace principles of tolerance and respect for diversity and the differing views of others;

Equality: whereby institutionalized racism, sexism, and all other forms of discrimination are rejected by all;

Non-violence: whereby non-violence is embraced as a way of life, and we resolve to always carry a good message as we work out our differences.

People Before Profit: whereby we value human dignity and needs over monetary gain, because when people lack security or a standard of living adequate for their well-being, effective democracy is impossible;

Meeting Human Needs: whereby meeting human needs are elevated to a place of primary importance; among these are the right to meaningful and well paid work; decent housing; and comprehensive healthcare and education;

Environmental Stewardship: whereby we work together to protect the global environment and preserve all species to ensure that life is sustainable, and that future generations will have safe and clean air, water, and food supplies.

Mic Check: We are the 99 percent.

Our occupation will continue.

We will make this vision a reality.

The Working Group on Vision and Goals continues to work toward a more comprehensive statement of visions and goals to be incorporated as soon as possible into this living document.
This is an official document crafted by the Working Group on Vision and Goals. The New York City General Assembly came to consensus on ______________ to accept this working draft and make it accessible to the public by posting it online.

END OF DOCUMENT

Notice the date of 12/4/11 This is a current project and reflects the visions and goals of the OWS collective. read it carefully and notice the stark Left proposed policies that OWS is promoting. Soon this or a similar document will be approved by the NYCGA and guess what you nor myself get to voice our opinions in any meaningful democratic way on what OWS is planning on doing.