View Poll Results: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    24 18.32%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    30 22.90%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    23 17.56%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    54 41.22%
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    sucks for them! let them work as hard and as smart as I did then we'll talk.

    Is this a biblical quote???


    I already do! That's why I got my cows "Tax" and "deduction" saves me about 5k on property taxes.

    Can I still be part of the 99%?


    Yes, you are still part of the 99%, because you don't receive the majority of your income through investments.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    I would only vote yes if I thought that 99% of Americans think they are owed a living. Fortunately, this is not the case. If it were to be so then we would truly be toast as a country and perhaps as a species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is this a biblical quote???

    well it is quite divine and prophetic if I do sat so myself.






    Yes, you are still part of the 99%, because you don't receive the majority of your income through investments.

    you know this for sure? i didnt't realize that in order to be 1% you had to live on investments. Anyway, so #ows speaks for me?


    Lol. No thanks. I am fine.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    well it is quite divine and prophetic if I do sat so myself.
    Yes, very well "sat".

    you know this for sure? i didnt't realize that in order to be 1% you had to live on investments.
    "And the evidence tends to point to the conclusion that the really rich pay less in taxes as a percentage of income then their merely well-to-do counterparts -- if their income comes primarily from investments. Overall, we rate Buffett's statement True.
    PolitiFact | Warren Buffett says the super-rich pay lower tax rates than others


    Anyway, so #ows speaks for me?
    They speak on behalf of those who pay a higher tax rate so the 1% can get a tax break. At least the ones that are no longer willing to do that.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Most people I see here who advocate more taxes on the wealthy also make a case for decreased government spending in several areas. That is my position.
    then why do you vote for people like Obama who clearly indicate that they want more government and more spending.

    my BS detector is redlining and merely cutting the military really doesn't cut it in my book

    why should the wealthy pay more when they are the ONLY GROUP that pays a higher percentage of the income tax burden than their share of the income?

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your anger is misplaced
    no one, especially not the Occupy folks, are saying that you should not be expected to pay your mortgage
    what is being said is that government should quit letting the mortgage lender take shortcuts to commence foreclosure
    when the lender can evidence default, and the documents required to prove the lender is entitled to sell the underlying collateral at foreclosure sale, then the lender can and should proceed
    what should not happen is to allow some lender to sell your property thru foreclosure where that lender is unable to establish before the court, consistent with the Note and mortgage documents, that it possesses the Note and assignment of interest documents proving that bank is entitled to recover against the collateral
    prudent lending requires mortgagees to have such documentation present in the event legal action must be taken against the mortgagor
    but allowing robo documents to be used before the court, fraudulently "proving" the lender is the legitimate party to proceed with foreclosure sale is something which should not be allowed to happen. the lender should not be allowed to fabricate its "evidence"
    that is Occupy's objection. seems more than reasonable
    okay so just so I'm perfectly clear, Just so I (and others) are perfectly clear on this. You are saying that people that don't pay their mortgages should lose their homes. As they have not carried out their part of the contract correct?


    The only thing that should be delayed is the resale of the home in question, until the actual holder of the loan is determined? If that is what you are saying, then I can agree with your statement.


    If you are saying however that the person defaulting on the loan, should be allowed to stay in his house until it's been determined who holds the note, while not paying his mortgage, then we still disagree. He is at best no better then the bank, he has not upheld his contractual agreement, to a greater degree then the bank, because if he had, then “who” held his note on the property would really be a mute point wouldn't it?



    So fine .. the person who defaulted on his mortgage payments gets booted out of his/her home, and before that property can be sold, it must be determined who holds the note on the property, and can sell it … I can agree with that. But I fail to see where that is going to help anyone in foreclosure, Altho it may in the future stop one bank from suing another to either get the money or the property that was rightfully theirs. So you are saying that OWS ers are basically looking out for the banks interest??

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Catawba;1060002011]

    They speak on behalf of those who pay a higher tax rate so the 1% can get a tax break. At least the ones that are no longer willing to do that.
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    No they speak for themselves, they don't speak for me or many of my friends that are not in that 1%..... Believe it or not Catawba, not everyone agrees with you or the OWS protesters. so welll they may speak for liberals such as yourself ... don't you dare imply that they speak for the 99% that is just a talking point that liberals and yourself want to believe ..... and it's an outright lie.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    then why do you vote for people like Obama who clearly indicate that they want more government and more spending.

    my BS detector is redlining and merely cutting the military really doesn't cut it in my book

    why should the wealthy pay more when they are the ONLY GROUP that pays a higher percentage of the income tax burden than their share of the income?
    My BS detector is redlining.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    The Barbarian - No they speak for themselves, they don't speak for me or many of my friends that are not in that 1%..... Believe it or not Catawba, not everyone agrees with you or the OWS protesters. so welll they may speak for liberals such as yourself ... don't you dare imply that they speak for the 99% that is just a talking point that liberals and yourself want to believe ..... and it's an outright lie.
    When they refer to the 99%, they refer to the class of income earners that pay more in taxes so the 1% can continue to receive tax breaks. They never claimed all were unhappy about that arrangement.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When they refer to the 99%, they refer to the class of income earners that pay more in taxes so the 1% can continue to receive tax breaks. They never claimed all were unhappy about that arrangement.
    You keep ignoring what OWS actually says.
    Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.

    This #ows movement empowers real people to create real change from the bottom up. We want to see a general assembly in every backyard, on every street corner because we don't need Wall Street and we don't need politicians to build a better society.

    the only solution is WorldRevolution
    Click here for NYCGA committee meeting times. Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for World Revolution
    What is very telling about OWS is their insistence that OWS is copying Egypt's Tahrir Square. Hence the common OWS slogan "Are you ready for a Tahrir moment?" That could only mean one thing that OWS expects the US Government to fold under the pressure of OWS. OWS does not want to just get people talking about economics and social structure. They want us to believe that the US Government is so corrupt that it is a lost cause.

    Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?-424845883-jpg

    ANd they do boldly offer a solution of sorts: "the only solution is WorldRevolution" That is a very closed minded opinion.

    Speaking of Revolution here is a site created by and OWS: Guide for Demonstrators | How to camp for a global revolution

    Police Officers usually warn demonstrators to stop if they believe that
    the demonstrators are engaging in illegal activities, demonstrators will sometimes participate in activities that may subject them to arrest
    without being arrested. There is some risk of arrest nonetheless. Other demonstrators engage in peaceful but unlawful activities to be ar-
    rested as a form of protest called “civil disobedience.” A short list of activities engaged in at demonstrations is provided below.
    Protected Activites[....]  Wearing a mask or concealing your face
    Illegal Activities
     Blocking street traffic
     Blocking pedestrian right of way
     Harassing or accosting poassers -by
     Inciting a crowd to imminent violence or illegal activity
     Entering or remaining on other property after being informed that you are
    not welcome
     Violence against any person
     Destruction of property
     However, wearing a mask or concealing your identity, while engaging in
    unlawful activity, can act as a penalty enhancer.
    Other activities seen at demonstrations that may be illegal include: Resisting arrest or obstructing an officer (see reverse), fastening signs
    (other than to bulletin boards generally open for posting information), littering, or using excessive noise.
    What an odd list for an non-violent movement. Perhaps Anarchists may be just one element of OWS, but they are leading OWS.

    And again I must point out that Hitler was representing the people/99% of Germany as well.

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