View Poll Results: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    24 18.32%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    30 22.90%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    23 17.56%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's examine the exact language of the Occupy declaration and see what you think:
    Thanks. Good to see someone can actually point to something semi-official for once.

    Are there any stats or information about how common this practice is, if any have been brought to court over it, etc?

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks. Good to see someone can actually point to something semi-official for once.

    Are there any stats or information about how common this practice is, if any have been brought to court over it, etc?
    not with any definity. here is an article which tells us how foreclosures have been throttled back substantially with FHA, due to the potential treble damages if the lenders were found using robo signed documents
    More on the FHA: Robo-Signing’s Effect - Developments - WSJ
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    [QUOTE=Thunder;1059995487]um....

    1/3 of Americans living in poverty?
    Government Can't Fix That!


    the increasing gap between rich & poor?
    Government Can't Fix That!


    the fact that the banks got massive bail-outs but have not returned to pre-Recession lending?
    I was able to get a home loan this year *shrug*

    the Bush tax-cuts on the wealthy?
    How does this affect them exactly?

    the fact that corporations have record profits but still ain't hiring?
    Its a corporations goal to make profits. If they can go with less people and make better profits, thats business.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    each mortgage contract is a unique document
    but it has been established that many lenders proceeded to foreclosure with loan documents that were fabricated to give the appearance the lender actually had an interest in the loan ... here is a cite describing such robo signings of illegitimate documents: Robo-Signing Redux: Servicers Still Fabricating Foreclosure Documents - American Banker Article

    I have a question, you seem to put all the blame on the banks ….. but didn't the home owner also sign a contract … and have a copy of it ? That should be easy to produce … as his/ her record of payments.


    Personally I don't give a royal flying f**k who has an interest in the loan, once it has been documented that you have not made payments, then you have not upheld your side of the terms of the contract, and that house no longer belongs to you. If there is confusion as to who holds the note on the property fine .. let those parties fight it out. But if you as the property owner have not lived up to your obligations, then you have lost that home ..


    you can try all you want to twist things around to suit your I hate the rich .. and I have no responsibility propaganda … the bottom line is really very simple . You make you payments you keep your home .. you don't make your payment you lose your home .

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I have a question, you seem to put all the blame on the banks ….. but didn't the home owner also sign a contract … and have a copy of it ? That should be easy to produce … as his/ her record of payments.


    Personally I don't give a royal flying f**k who has an interest in the loan, once it has been documented that you have not made payments, then you have not upheld your side of the terms of the contract, and that house no longer belongs to you. If there is confusion as to who holds the note on the property fine .. let those parties fight it out. But if you as the property owner have not lived up to your obligations, then you have lost that home ..


    you can try all you want to twist things around to suit your I hate the rich .. and I have no responsibility propaganda … the bottom line is really very simple . You make you payments you keep your home .. you don't make your payment you lose your home .
    your anger is misplaced
    no one, especially not the Occupy folks, are saying that you should not be expected to pay your mortgage
    what is being said is that government should quit letting the mortgage lender take shortcuts to commence foreclosure
    when the lender can evidence default, and the documents required to prove the lender is entitled to sell the underlying collateral at foreclosure sale, then the lender can and should proceed
    what should not happen is to allow some lender to sell your property thru foreclosure where that lender is unable to establish before the court, consistent with the Note and mortgage documents, that it possesses the Note and assignment of interest documents proving that bank is entitled to recover against the collateral
    prudent lending requires mortgagees to have such documentation present in the event legal action must be taken against the mortgagor
    but allowing robo documents to be used before the court, fraudulently "proving" the lender is the legitimate party to proceed with foreclosure sale is something which should not be allowed to happen. the lender should not be allowed to fabricate its "evidence"
    that is Occupy's objection. seems more than reasonable
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your anger is misplaced
    no one, especially not the Occupy folks, are saying that you should not be expected to pay your mortgage
    what is being said is that government should quit letting the mortgage lender take shortcuts to commence foreclosure
    when the lender can evidence default, and the documents required to prove the lender is entitled to sell the underlying collateral at foreclosure sale, then the lender can and should proceed
    what should not happen is to allow some lender to sell your property thru foreclosure where that lender is unable to establish before the court, consistent with the Note and mortgage documents, that it possesses the Note and assignment of interest documents proving that bank is entitled to recover against the collateral
    prudent lending requires mortgagees to have such documentation present in the event legal action must be taken against the mortgagor
    but allowing robo documents to be used before the court, fraudulently "proving" the lender is the legitimate party to proceed with foreclosure sale is something which should not be allowed to happen. the lender should not be allowed to fabricate its "evidence"
    that is Occupy's objection. seems more than reasonable

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    you owe 100 bucks for your weed. you paid 30. you smoked all your weed, you still owe 70..... did you smoke your weed or your dealers weed?
    but another person, other than the one who fronted me the weed, shows up and says 'you owe me now instead of who you got your weed from
    so, pay me the $70 that remains due'
    and i reasonably say 'show me something from the person i originally owed the debt that you are now the true assignee of the outstanding debt.
    do that and i will pay you.' until then, got a joint to smoke while we wait?
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but another person, other than the one who fronted me the weed, shows up and says 'you owe me now instead of who you got your weed from
    so, pay me the $70 that remains due'
    and i reasonably say 'show me something from the person i originally owed the debt that you are now the true assignee of the outstanding debt.
    do that and i will pay you.' until then, got a joint to smoke while we wait?

    So your argument is the debt is non-transferable.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So your argument is the debt is non-transferable.
    no
    my argument is that the transfer of payee requires documentation of such assignment of interest ... which documentation is not found fraudulent
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I want Free Edumucation!

    I want the government to make banks forgive my debt!

    I want enough money to live off of comfortably even though I don't have a job and don't produce or contribute to society at all!

    Wahh Wahh Wahhh......




    Did I miss anything?
    Only what the OWS are actually about.

    The Iraq Veterans against the War get it though:

    From 3 days ago - Iraq Veterans Against The War Releases New Statement: The 1 Percent Is Profiting From Our Sacrifices
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