View Poll Results: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    24 18.32%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    30 22.90%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    23 17.56%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    54 41.22%
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, the bank doesn't require your approval.
    Then the question goes, can a contract such as a loan be legally exchanged to a different party. If so....then, yeah, tough tits. If the party owns your contract and are legally able to do so and you don't fulfill your contract they can take your house.

    In regards to justabubba's fraud case...well yes, that's bad. That's fraud. That's illegal. Few people will argue that an illegal actoin like that is bad. Trying ot make it out that such illegal action is the norm, the majority of forclosures, or the main thing OWS people are talking about with regards to banks and mortgages is just ridiculous however.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, the bank doesn't require your approval.

    yeah I never saw anything but a letter and a change of letterhead.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    change your IP, and you can vote again...and again..and again.

    clearly, that poll is worthless.
    Again, I agree

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yeah I never saw anything but a letter and a change of letterhead.
    In retrospect this may be the case and it was more of a letter of notice then anything else.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Then the question goes, can a contract such as a loan be legally exchanged to a different party. If so....then, yeah, tough tits. If the party owns your contract and are legally able to do so and you don't fulfill your contract they can take your house.

    In regards to justabubba's fraud case...well yes, that's bad. That's fraud. That's illegal. Few people will argue that an illegal actoin like that is bad. Trying ot make it out that such illegal action is the norm, the majority of forclosures, or the main thing OWS people are talking about with regards to banks and mortgages is just ridiculous however.


    I agree, I will also state it does not absolve one of ones debts.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    To my understanding, when a Bank sells your loan to another place it requires your approval of it first? At least that's what I've experienced when my bank sold my loan to another group which then sold it to another.
    no. unless there is a provision in your contract which establishes that the loan cannot be sold/transferred to another party, then an assignment of interest can be made

    If that's the case, are you suggesting that the original bank attempting to forclose on your house is wrong because they don't hold the contract with you anymore? In which case, are you basically saying that the entity that does now hold your contract should be the one who is forclosing on you?
    yes. the process of accepting an outstanding loan is by acquiring an assignment of interest. that assigns to the new lender the rights and responsibilities as has been established by the Note and other instruments of hypothecation for the loan. the old lender (normally) no longer has an interest once such assignment has been made. thus, the new lender would hold the loan documents and receive loan funds. it is when they do not make sure the trailing documents for that loan have been received that complications arise. without those loan documents they are unable to meet the provisions of the mortgage (deed of trust) which describes what must be evident to the court to prove they hold a legitimate interest in the loan
    being without those original loan and assignment of interest documents, lenders have resorted to robo signings to give the appearance that they have the necessary documents, when in fact, they do not
    that is fraud
    that is what Occupy is objecting to
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Racist???? I made no such suggestion.

    You said: "Ows is out of touch with mainstream America, their behavior shows it."

    And I said,

    "That's exact same thing that was said about the Civil Rights movement, and the Vietnam war protests at the time."

    Where from that do you get I am implying you are a racist???

    I am comparing one non-violent mass protests (OWS) with two other historic non-violent mass protests, the Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War Protest.

    How are comparing 3 historic non-violent mass protests implying that you are racist??? I assumed you were against the OWS protest because of the ultra conservative views you have presented, not because you were a racist.
    I said "Whether you intend to or not you are implying that I am an racist". The Civil Rights movement was all about racism, by comparing my views to the opposition of the Civil Rights movement that implicates me as an racist. And the internet is full of Liberals accusing Conservative's of being racists. It is like you are trying to pretend that reality does not exist just so you can claim that you didnt imply racism to discredit my assertions that you were unable to retort.

    My views are in no way ultra Conservative. I think that you are getting confused and assume that just because I am opposed to the OWS movement that I must be an Conservative.
    I already told you that I am not an Conservative, why fall back into the, if you are not with me than you must be one of them mantra? Am I supposed to bend my views now to avoid being labeled an Conservative by you?

    I have not asserted any adherence to the status quo and I have spoke of corruption in our Government. My views on OWS are acquired from observing OWS as the information presents itself. The links that I have provided you are mostly in not all from sites claimed by OWS as their official sites. One could say that my view has progressively been shown to me by the protesters.

    It is interesting though that you chose to call my views "ultra conservative". I believe that your observation is designed for conflict only. You obviously were getting no where with your case so time to regress into an ad hominem point of view that resides in the us and them theme of politics. It is the infighting between the Republicans and the Democrats that has worked rather well for corruption. OWS is not apart from this infighting, in fact much like the Tea Party is accelerating the conflict. OWS stands on Leftist status quo as their moral foundation. OWS leaves absolutely no room for anything but ideas from the Left (on many different levels). OWS is in fact Anti-Right and is not shy about asserting that the Right must leave American politics. Me recognizing those assertions does not make me on the Right.

    I have been asking OWS supporters and all refuse to answer this question: 'What is plan of the occupy movement for what to do with all of the Americans who do not subscribe to Left leaning political philosophies?' Until someone from the occupy movement can answer that question honestly I will continue to think of OWS as an failed Leftist attempt at taking over the country. Of course if that supporter asserts that all Right leaning policies must end then my opinion will not have changed.

    It would be extremely blind to try to to assert that OWS is not Left leaning in its entirety. Again OWS is not acting in the best interest of the 99% as they claim. OWS is acting in their best interest to universally ban anything leaning to the Right from this country. And if you believe that fighting for Constitutional rights is "ultra Conservative" then you are in store for some big disappointments. Dont ever underestimate the resolve of Americans, we will not go willing into Fascism no matter who is proposing it. OWS wants the left to be the only option forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes. the process of accepting an outstanding loan is by acquiring an assignment of interest. that assigns to the new lender the rights and responsibilities as has been established by the Note and other instruments of hypothecation for the loan. the old lender (normally) no longer has an interest once such assignment has been made. thus, the new lender would hold the loan documents and receive loan funds. it is when they do not make sure the trailing documents for that loan have been received that complications arise. without those loan documents they are unable to meet the provisions of the mortgage (deed of trust) which describes what must be evident to the court to prove they hold a legitimate interest in the loan
    being without those original loan and assignment of interest documents, lenders have resorted to robo signings to give the appearance that they have the necessary documents, when in fact, they do not
    that is fraud
    that is what Occupy is objecting to
    And you base the suggestion that what you're saying, SPECIFICALLY, is the portion of the bank mortgage and forclosure issue that Occupy as a movmeent is objecting to off of.........?

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And you base the suggestion that what you're saying, SPECIFICALLY, is the portion of the bank mortgage and forclosure issue that Occupy as a movmeent is objecting to off of.........?
    let's examine the exact language of the Occupy declaration and see what you think:
    They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
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    Shoulda paid thier nut. *shrug*

    some gripe.
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