View Poll Results: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    24 18.32%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    30 22.90%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    23 17.56%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

    54 41.22%
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You ignore the ability of money to buy politicians.
    Nah not at all. Money cannot buy 'us the people', that is why we have the ultimate power.

    Look I am not against people speaking their minds and even demanding justice and/or accountability. But the reality is that OWS is not gaining mass support by the people that matters. And reason for that failure is that even if some people claim their goals are obvious OWS does not really make it obvious to the regular 'politics bore me' crowd.
    Ows is out of touch with mainstream America, their behavior shows it. Americans for the most part follow the laws of society. Civil disobedience alienates the people that do follow the rules of the communities that we all live in. Such behavior does nothing to bind the movement with the everyday law abiding people.

    The Thanksgiving dinner in Oakland hammers this point. Occupy Oakland ordered two porta potties for their Thanksgiving celebration at Oscar Grant plaza. The police by the authority of laws on the books disallowed the porta potties. The Occupiers freaked out and became violent. Watch the vid in the link below. Peaceful people do not fight with the police when the police make a request that citizens must follow the laws. Watch closely as one protester tries to hit the officers with the hood of the truck. Also notice the people screaming at the top of their lungs at the officers. Peaceful people do not scream at people. Notice other people trying to remove the porta potties despite being informed that doing so is illegal.

    The video really highlights the overall behavior by most of the Occupations. Video after video on YouTube shows protesters screaming at cops. And the same videos show the protesters surrounding cops and intimidating cops on a regular bases. And as I have pointed out the protesters are using known tactics to get themselves arrested so that they can tout arrest numbers.

    Time after time you have tried to make excuses and point blankly tried to tell me that I am wrong or misguided. There is proof in the form of hours of video that baked my observations, there are websites set up by the protesters themselves that are thick with the observations that I have talked about. If you want to ignore overwhelming evidence that is your choice. But you have not presented a case at all that convinces me that I am wrong in my analysis of the Occupy movement.

    Here is what I cannot get passed with OWS. The tactics and propaganda being put forth by OWS mirrors the same tactics devised by Karl Marx, a method to take over a country by revolution. To rally the working class against the wealthy and the ruling class, in order to dismantle the existing Government in order to make a new Government. You can accuse me of being paranoid until you wear out your keyboard, but the parallels and the fact that the far leftist element of the protest is not small keep me against OWs by what is very obvious to many other people as well.

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    "We are also striking back against the nationally' coordinated attack on the Occupy movement. In response to the police violence and camp evictions against the Occupy movement- This is our coordinated response against the 1%. On December 12th we will show are collective power through pinpointed economic blockade of the 1%." West Coast Port Shut Down
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    Ows is out of touch with mainstream America, their behavior shows it.
    That's exact same thing that was said about the Civil Rights movement, and the Vietnam war protests at the time.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    I agree. The Civil Rights Movement had reactionaries saying the exact same thing. OWS is extremely peaceful compared to the Civil Rights Movement.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's exact same thing that was said about the Civil Rights movement, and the Vietnam war protests at the time.

    I think trying to suggest that #ows is comparable to the civil rights movement is a gross exaggeration of prodigious ignorant proportions.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I think trying to suggest that #ows is comparable to the civil rights movement is a gross exaggeration of prodigious ignorant proportions.

    please point out the comparison you insist he made
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's exact same thing that was said about the Civil Rights movement, and the Vietnam war protests at the time.
    As far as the war protestors are concerned, it's still true.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As far as the war protestors are concerned, it's still true.
    We'll just go with the historians view rather than the world according to apdst, but thanks anyway.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's exact same thing that was said about the Civil Rights movement, and the Vietnam war protests at the time.
    An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

    Whether you intend to or not you are implying that I am an racist, just because I do not agree with OWS. Again such ideas will not win me over in support of OWS. Infact you have only further discredited the occupy movement.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

    Whether you intend to or not you are implying that I am an racist, just because I do not agree with OWS. Again such ideas will not win me over in support of OWS. Infact you have only further discredited the occupy movement.
    Racist???? I made no such suggestion.

    You said: "Ows is out of touch with mainstream America, their behavior shows it."

    And I said,

    "That's exact same thing that was said about the Civil Rights movement, and the Vietnam war protests at the time."

    Where from that do you get I am implying you are a racist???

    I am comparing one non-violent mass protests (OWS) with two other historic non-violent mass protests, the Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War Protest.

    How are comparing 3 historic non-violent mass protests implying that you are racist??? I assumed you were against the OWS protest because of the ultra conservative views you have presented, not because you were a racist.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

    Whether you intend to or not you are implying that I am an racist, just because I do not agree with OWS. Again such ideas will not win me over in support of OWS. Infact you have only further discredited the occupy movement.
    Just wanted to say that I enjoy your posts .. well spoken … and making some good valid points.


    I know this is off topic, but I agree that we the people have allowed our government to get out of control, we are the only ones with the power, to hold them accountable. I guess if I was to associate myself with anything it would be the tea party. I'm conservative by nature, which is why I can't relate to Republicans any more, and why I have never been able to relate much with Democrats.

    My opinion of the OWS bunch, is that as a whole, they are a bunch of extremists, they in no way shape or form speak or represent 99% of anyone or anything, except their own self serving interests. As for the question of if they are right or left, one only has to look at those here, and see who whole heartedly supports everything they do, to “know” they are on the extreme left of the political spectrum. Nearly every liberal, socialist, and communist on these pages are their supporters. The middle thinks they are irrelevant, and the right can't stand them.

    This I believe tho, the American people those right and left of center, and those in the center, have been awaken, in 2006 and 2008 we seen wholesale changes because people were unhappy with the Republican party, in 2010 we seen the dissatisfaction with Democrats, once again there were wholesale changes I think we are going to see the very same thing in 2012, only those incumbents that can run on their record are going to be safe.

    While liberals here like to quote polls showing Americans back tax increases, what they never show is this. A new Gallup finds that an overwhelming majority of Americans prefer spending cuts to outweigh or equal tax increases in balancing the budget. So well one here continues to use polls to show everyone how badly Americans think of our congress, what he fails to understand is just as much of that displeasure is directed at the Democrats as well.

    Well blaming Republicans for the Bush tax cuts, he will never bring up the fact that it was Democrats that extended them until 2012. They voted to bring the bill to the floor, when no action was needed for them to expire. Republicans could in no way shape or form, done anything to stop them from expiring.

    I only use this to show that the extreme leftists here still refuse to take any responsibility for this, and continue to blame Republicans.

    I can honestly say that I fear for our country, because we grow farther apart each and every day, and we have a sitting President, that rather then uniting us, seems intent on driving us further apart even now I don't believe that we are capable of being destroyed from outside forces, but from within, that is another story, IMO there could be another revolution in this country, but it won't be th so called 99% against corporate greed and corruption, it's going to be the far left against the far right, and those in the middle will have to choose sides, which simply means middle American will decide what direction this country will take. Whatever party stands closest to the core values of what the center feels this country was founded on, and stands for will be the side the center will move to. To me personally, I'm of the age that I'm not to worried for myself, but I just can't help thinking that the new generation, is not going to live in the America that we (those of my age) grew up and lived in.

    I've rambled on enough .. sorry for the distraction from the topic on hand.

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