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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

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  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

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  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Hmm..

    "Youth in revolt," "rage against capitalism," "change the system"...

    Didn't socialists in history focus on these elements, too? Gee, I wonder what we'll see from them next. Yeah, I enjoy watching the violence and trashiness, NOT.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickety View Post
    The "Occ-tards" as you so eloquently put it, are basically the youth in revolt. It doesn't matter who tanked the economy, it doesn't even matter really who wins in 2012. America has a systemic problem that allowed the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer. OWS want the right to prosper, and it is a right.
    So if its a right it applies to both the rich and the poor. So why are we looking to punish the rich?
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickety View Post
    The "Occ-tards" as you so eloquently put it, are basically the youth in revolt. It doesn't matter who tanked the economy, it doesn't even matter really who wins in 2012. America has a systemic problem that allowed the rich to get richer and the poor get poorer. OWS want the right to prosper, and it is a right. But with people leaving college with huge student loans and few prospects, what do you expect. Young people will do what young people will do, buck the system. They will use their liberal arts degrees and teaching degrees to go out into the world and piss the old folks off. It happened every generation, except the 80's and 90's i guess...they were kinda lame. Dems want taxes, republicans want cuts. OWS just wants a voice. They don't want to inherit these problems and they don't want to pay for two financed wars that they did not believe in the first place. So name calling and mud slinging may work for the fixed news crowd, but why try to find the pulse of the movement in the arsehole when you can just as easily find it in the neck.
    Ah damn and they spent so much on the propagandist story that OWS is not just a bunch of young people. Didnt you get the memo?

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    What I was saying though is that this is a diverse nation, not everyone is on the Progressive bandwagon.
    Well, a majority of that diverse nation supports eliminating the tax breaks for the rich. Get used to it.

    Which brings us back too the question: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?
    They represent the interest of the 99%, yes.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well, a majority of that diverse nation supports eliminating the tax breaks for the rich. Get used to it.
    Interesting how you keep trying to tie me to something I did not say. There is a difference between cutting tax breaks and taxing the rich more than any other class. I have not in this conversation mentioned ot implied anything about tax breaks. Nice try though.

    They represent the interest of the 99%, yes.
    That is just splitting hairs and is meaningless, since OWS isnt really doing anything.
    This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands. Forum Post: Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org
    Plus OWs does not claim that they are fighting in our interest that is a complete falsehood. OWS came up with this slogan "We are the 99%" Not "We are fighting for the 99%"

    Many groups claim to be working in best interest of the people (Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Etc.). Announcing that your working for the best interest of the people does not mean that your best interest is the best choice for the people. it is especially meaningless if you do not have the permission of the people. Which as I pointed out OWS does not have the permission of even half of the US. Hence why the occupy movement is dying right now.

    Whats next for OWS, what will give them another 15 mins of fame? Oh yes they boycotted Black Friday that certainly worked didnt it? Next they want to disrupt the economy in name of the people that want a better economy? Im sure that will win over more people to their cause. Mean while corruption continues, and all that the occupy movement can do is cry about losing their private campgrounds in the middle of town. Haven't they ever heard that if you let one person or group get away with something you have to let everyone get away with it?

    They claim they have the right to camp in public spaces and set up their own little towns complete with medical and libraries. Well what if I decide that I want to set up a town with a bunch of my neighbors in a wilderness area? I mean it is a public space it belongs to the people right? My group can just say we are protesting the banks for taking away houses.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    Interesting how you keep trying to tie me to something I did not say.
    Except here you mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    not everyone is on the Progressive bandwagon.
    There is a difference between cutting tax breaks and taxing the rich more than any other class. I have not in this conversation mentioned ot implied anything about tax breaks. Nice try though.
    The Bush tax changes cut tax rates more for the rich than they did for the middle class.

    That is just splitting hairs and is meaningless, since OWS isnt really doing anything. Plus OWs does not claim that they are fighting in our interest that is a complete falsehood. OWS came up with this slogan "We are the 99%" Not "We are fighting for the 99%"

    Many groups claim to be working in best interest of the people (Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Etc.). Announcing that your working for the best interest of the people does not mean that your best interest is the best choice for the people. it is especially meaningless if you do not have the permission of the people. Which as I pointed out OWS does not have the permission of even half of the US. Hence why the occupy movement is dying right now.
    The OWS has 4 times the support than does the Congress elected in 2010.

    Whats next for OWS, what will give them another 15 mins of fame?
    It must be true what they say about how quickly time passes when your having fun:

    "The Occupy Wall Street movement entered its third month Thursday with protests against the economic system in dozens of cities across the country.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Except here you mean?





    The Bush tax changes cut tax rates more for the rich than they did for the middle class.
    Again I never mentioned support for tax cuts. What you quoted was a very large stretch. But non the less I am telling you now that I do not support the Bush tax breaks. You can again try to twist my words but it will only show your dishonesty.


    The OWS has 4 times the support than does the Congress elected in 2010.
    4x0=0 no its not actually zero but significantly small. Enough to confidently say that the majority of Americans are not on board with OWS.


    It must be true what they say about how quickly time passes when your having fun:

    "The Occupy Wall Street movement entered its third month Thursday with protests against the economic system in dozens of cities across the country.
    3 months is not a long time. In fact OWs still is saying that their movement is young. At least that is the excuse they are using for why they are failing to gain critical mass.
    Bottom line, though: It seems that Occupy Wall Street has passed its sell-by date — and even the Occupiers know it.

    Read more: Occupy Wall Street fizzles—Editorial - NYPOST.com
    Occupy Wall Street fizzles—Editorial - NYPOST.com
    http://www.newscastmedia.com/ows.pdf

    The occupy movement is unsustainable people were getting no where camping and bitching about cops harassing them for camping. At best there is confusion about what the protests are about, hence why I made you jump through hoops, to prove the point. Go ask people on the streets what they think about OWS and perhaps you will get the answers you want or perhaps you will get some that you do not want. The goal of any protest is to inform the public. OWs has failed miserably at that task. Mainly because they have not have had a unified clear voice. They tried to tell the people that they were the people. WHich backfired since any rational person would ask "Wait! I am not at no protest. How can they be me?" That is what I meant by the term bandwagon. Idea I is popular.
    Therefore, I is correct. 99% was an invented slogan to make people join in and not question why. Which always works with a certain amount of the population. In that sense OWS gained critical mass and climaxed. Sure there will be a few more minutes left of fame. But in desperation people always become desperate. And OWS is moving into that desperate phase where the radicals thrive. And radicals will be radicals and will end the Occupy movement with a bang most likely.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    Again I never mentioned support for tax cuts. What you quoted was a very large stretch. But non the less I am telling you now that I do not support the Bush tax breaks.
    Great, glad we can agree.



    4x0=0 no its not actually zero but significantly small. Enough to confidently say that the majority of Americans are not on board with OWS.
    OWS approval by a third of Americans vs 9% approval for the congress elected in 2010. Seems significant to me.




    3 months is not a long time. In fact OWs still is saying that their movement is young. At least that is the excuse they are using for why they are failing to gain critical mass.
    One step at a time is how you get anywhere. Going on 3 months so far they have been accomplishing their goal of increasing public debate about the disparity of wealth in this country. Nice balance I think for the clowns debating as to who is going to be the biggest supporter of continuing trickle down economics that has been the only policy of the GOP for the last 3 decades.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Great, glad we can agree.





    OWS approval by a third of Americans vs 9% approval for the congress elected in 2010. Seems significant to me.






    One step at a time is how you get anywhere. Going on 3 months so far they have been accomplishing their goal of increasing public debate about the disparity of wealth in this country. Nice balance I think for the clowns debating as to who is going to be the biggest supporter of continuing trickle down economics that has been the only policy of the GOP for the last 3 decades.
    The problem is that public debate hasnt got past political indifference. America is faced with problems that need to be addressed with diverse efforts from the citizens. We all have different opinions and perceptions of what this country needs in terms of fixing of its ailments. As long as the solutions are one sided we will continue to flounder.

    I refuse to belong to any particular political party because in doing so I would be supporting a closed mind approach at politics. I would rather have no limits on choices for solutions. I realize that other people see things differently than I do, which is what makes the world go around.

    The way I see it there is nothing directly without stepping on liberty that will remove the wealth that the top 1% owns at this point. Holding signs and trying to turn the public on the 1% will not create any meaningful change unless you believe that inciting people to be bigots is the type of change your after. Intellectually speaking we need to fight for the rights held by the Constitution, that is where our power as a people resides. We need to make our country resemble what the framers of the Constitution outlined. That is the real conversation that the public should be engaged in. And that is where the solutions reside, not in blaming sections of society.

    Lately many have said that we out number the wealthy 99% to 1%, the only way that the 1% has been able to corrupt our Government is by us allowing them to do it. Where the Occupy movement goes wrong is by putting the 99% in a top vs bottom environment. We have the ultimate power there is no up or down. The law of this land is the Constitution and our Constitution does not disallow wealth, it only requires that the laws and rights of this nation be followed. Hedging the rich hedges all of our rights. It is no different than standing up for freedom of speech even when you do not agree with the speakers message.

    Fight corruption not the results of corruption. Economic disparity is an result, not the cause.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    We all have different opinions and perceptions of what this country needs in terms of fixing of its ailments. As long as the solutions are one sided we will continue to flounder.
    That's why the country is fortunate to have the OWS to present the progressive position on issues to balance out the two conservative parties.

    I refuse to belong to any particular political party because in doing so I would be supporting a closed mind approach at politics. I would rather have no limits on choices for solutions. I realize that other people see things differently than I do, which is what makes the world go around.
    Yep, I don't belong to a political party either, I always vote the best of the viable choices, regardless of party.

    The way I see it there is nothing directly without stepping on liberty that will remove the wealth that the top 1% owns at this point.
    You've already said you agree with eliminating the Bush tax cuts. That will remove some of the wealth from the top 1%.

    Holding signs and trying to turn the public on the 1% will not create any meaningful change unless you believe that inciting people to be bigots is the type of change your after.
    Your interpretation of providing moral support for the 99% of the country oppressed by the 1%.

    Intellectually speaking we need to fight for the rights held by the Constitution, that is where our power as a people resides. We need to make our country resemble what the framers of the Constitution outlined. That is the real conversation that the public should be engaged in. And that is where the solutions reside, not in blaming sections of society.
    The 1% are the ones that have encroached on the liberties and justice afforded under the Constitution. The OWS is standing up for it, and us.

    Lately many have said that we out number the wealthy 99% to 1%, the only way that the 1% has been able to corrupt our Government is by us allowing them to do it. Where the Occupy movement goes wrong is by putting the 99% in a top vs bottom environment. We have the ultimate power there is no up or down.
    You ignore the ability of money to buy politicians.

    The law of this land is the Constitution and our Constitution does not disallow wealth, it only requires that the laws and rights of this nation be followed.
    Hedging the rich hedges all of our rights. It is no different than standing up for freedom of speech even when you do not agree with the speakers message.
    For the most part, they are calling for a tax system and regulatory system closer to the progressiveness during the half century before Reagan. Are you under the impression there were no rich people in this country prior to Reganomics???

    Fight corruption not the results of corruption. Economic disparity is an result, not the cause.
    That is what the OWS is fighting, corruption. And it is the largest continuous mass protest in this country to take that corruption on. They have my thanks and gratitude for standing up for issues the 2010 congress is not even talking about.
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