View Poll Results: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

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  • Yes, they very much represent their complaints & agenda.

    24 18.32%
  • They represent some of their complaints & agenda, but also have their own unique/radical ideas.

    30 22.90%
  • Not really, their ideas are more represent the complaints & goals of the poor and radicals.

    23 17.56%
  • Not at all! They only speak for a radical fringe!!

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oh yes, we were arrested, we knew we would be during the planning phase months before. We were quite aware that blocking the main entrance to an AFB was illegal. but it was extremely effective in the attention it gained for the cause of ending the war. Just as with the OWS protesters, we felt is was worth going to jail to stand up for our beliefs.



    Just as with the OWS, the great majority of Vietnam protesters were non-violent. Both of the big demonstrations I was involved in were completely non-violent.



    "Longshoremen and warehouse workers in Longview, Washington were in the news recently when they shutdown ports in the Pacific Northwest and held security officers hostage, over contract disputes with EGT. And OWS mentions them specifically in their call to action.

    Occupy Oakland expands this call to the entire West Coast, and calls for continuing solidarity with the Longshoremen in Longview Washington in their ongoing struggle against the EGT. The EGT is an international grain exporter led by Bunge LTD, a company constituted of 1% bankers whose practices have ruined the lives of the working class all over the world, from Argentina to the West Coast of the US. During the November 2nd General Strike, tens of thousands shutdown the Port Of Oakland as a warning shot to EGT to stop its attacks on Longview. Since the EGT has disregarded this message, and continues to attack the Longshoremen at Longview, we will now shut down ports along the entire West Coast.

    OWS further says that if any action is taken against longshoremen as a result of the protest "additional actions should be prepared, and in the event of police response, shutdowns may extend "to multiple days."

    Occupy Los Angeles has also unanimously approved the movement and hastens to point out the SSA terminals at the Port of Los Angeles are owned by Goldman Sachs."

    Read more: Protesters Have A New Action Plan, And This Time It Could Seriously Hurt The Economy

    Here is the link to Occupy Oakland: Occupy Oakland Calls for TOTAL WEST COAST PORT SHUTDOWN ON 12/12 - Occupy Oakland

    The Occupy movement blatantly has admitted their purpose to commit what could be considered an terrorist operation by some people.
    "Occupy Oakland calls for the blockade and disruption of the economic apparatus of the 1% with a coordinated shutdown of ports on the entire West Coast on December 12th. "
    The terms "blockade" and "disruption of the economic apparatus" and "coordinated shutdown" and "entire West Coast " are key concepts that could get them into trouble.

    "Blockade: the isolating, closing off, or surrounding of a place, as a port, harbor, or city, by hostile ships or troops to prevent entrance or exit." Since the action being announced is to shutdown ports I think that the definition I used is correct. It is a term used specifically in the same context it is an hostile action.

    "Disruption of the economic apparatus": By all definitions this is considered Economic Terrorism.
    The term economic terrorism is strictly defined to indicate an attempt at economic destabilization by a group. More precisely, in 2005 the Geneva Centre for Security Policy defined economic terrorism in the following terms:
    Contrary to "economic warfare" which is undertaken by states against other states, "economic terrorism" would be undertaken by transnational or non-state actors. This could entail varied, coordinated and sophisticated or massive destabilizing actions in order to disrupt the economic and financial stability of a state, a group of states or a society (such as market oriented western societies) for ideological or religious motives. These actions, if undertaken, may be violent or not. They could have either immediate effects or carry psychological effects which in turn have economic consequences.[1]
    Coordinated shutdown: Shows the organized intent by the group and movement.

    Entire west coast shutdown: Makes the action a regional rather than localized action. That on top of the "occupations nationally, it will almost certainly bring the Feds in on it. And if the operation is extended as threatened Homeland security will have to do something. No Government can have their ports blockaded by a group foreign or domestic in origin. And it is ridiculous of the Occupy movement to be so hostile when they claim to be non-violent. Occupy Oakland has outlined not a protest but a hostile militant action. And they expect people to do it for them.

    They cannot hide behind the leaderless claim when the General Assemblies are calling the shots. The Oakland General Assembly came to the consensus and are requiring other General Assemblies to obey their request. Which shows organizational hierarchy (how ironic).

    The 1% has disrupted the lives of longshoremen and port truckers and the workers who create their wealth, just as coordinated nationwide police attacks have turned our cities into battlegrounds in an effort to disrupt our Occupy movement.
    This is what is called revenge. The Occupy movement has moved away from the Occupation stage and is moving into the hostile stage from here it is all downhill.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    Here is the link to Occupy Oakland: Occupy Oakland Calls for TOTAL WEST COAST PORT SHUTDOWN ON 12/12 - Occupy Oakland

    The Occupy movement blatantly has admitted their purpose to commit what could be considered an terrorist operation by some people.

    The terms "blockade" and "disruption of the economic apparatus" and "coordinated shutdown" and "entire West Coast " are key concepts that could get them into trouble.

    "Blockade: the isolating, closing off, or surrounding of a place, as a port, harbor, or city, by hostile ships or troops to prevent entrance or exit." Since the action being announced is to shutdown ports I think that the definition I used is correct. It is a term used specifically in the same context it is an hostile action.

    "Disruption of the economic apparatus": By all definitions this is considered Economic Terrorism.

    Coordinated shutdown: Shows the organized intent by the group and movement.

    Entire west coast shutdown: Makes the action a regional rather than localized action. That on top of the "occupations nationally, it will almost certainly bring the Feds in on it. And if the operation is extended as threatened Homeland security will have to do something. No Government can have their ports blockaded by a group foreign or domestic in origin. And it is ridiculous of the Occupy movement to be so hostile when they claim to be non-violent. Occupy Oakland has outlined not a protest but a hostile militant action. And they expect people to do it for them.

    They cannot hide behind the leaderless claim when the General Assemblies are calling the shots. The Oakland General Assembly came to the consensus and are requiring other General Assemblies to obey their request. Which shows organizational hierarchy (how ironic).

    This is what is called revenge. The Occupy movement has moved away from the Occupation stage and is moving into the hostile stage from here it is all downhill.
    You are too easily frightened. The protesters will have as much success shutting down the ports as the Vietnam Veterans Against The War protest I was involved had in shutting down Wright Patterson AFB that we blocked the main entrance to.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    They represent maybe 2-5%...everyone is always throwing about figures and percentages but take the time to do research and you will find that they are usually wrong...sometimes on purpose.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    They represent maybe 2-5%...everyone is always throwing about figures and percentages but take the time to do research and you will find that they are usually wrong...sometimes on purpose.
    got to laugh at these kinds of posts
    telling us that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    They represent maybe 2-5%...everyone is always throwing about figures and percentages but take the time to do research and you will find that they are usually wrong...sometimes on purpose.
    Yeah, I heard it was 4.6-8%, but whatever.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are too easily frightened. The protesters will have as much success shutting down the ports as the Vietnam Veterans Against The War protest I was involved had in shutting down Wright Patterson AFB that we blocked the main entrance to.
    I am not worried about success I am concerned about intent.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are too easily frightened. The protesters will have as much success shutting down the ports as the Vietnam Veterans Against The War protest I was involved had in shutting down Wright Patterson AFB that we blocked the main entrance to.
    let me get this straight. attempts to launch campaigns of violence (potentially you could call this terrorism) aren't important unless you are actually successful at achieving your goals.


    their failure does not excuse them. hopefully these idiots wind up in prison for actual serious sentences.

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    No, they don't represent the 99%. They claim to but they don't. I'm not sure they even have majority support.
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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    got to laugh at these kinds of posts
    telling us that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot
    Most politicians make up percentages on-the-spot...the media however squewers them to slant them in the direction they want to push...99% is a bogus representation of people who want to behead rich people and take their money for themselves...

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    Re: Does the Occupy Wall Street movement represent the 99%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oh yes, we were arrested, we knew we would be during the planning phase months before. We were quite aware that blocking the main entrance to an AFB was illegal. but it was extremely effective in the attention it gained for the cause of ending the war. Just as with the OWS protesters, we felt is was worth going to jail to stand up for our beliefs.
    if you're nonviolent and willing to go to jail - fine. unfortunately, that does not describe OWS.

    "Longshoremen and warehouse workers in Longview, Washington were in the news recently when they shutdown ports in the Pacific Northwest and held security officers hostage, over contract disputes with EGT. And OWS mentions them specifically in their call to action.
    yes. if you will recall, hostage taking in the pursuit of political goals is terrorism. if OWS starts taking hostages, then they deserve snipers.

    OWS further says that if any action is taken against longshoremen as a result of the protest "additional actions should be prepared, and in the event of police response, shutdowns may extend "to multiple days."
    then they should be willing to reap the consequences of those actions, and the longshoremen should all be fired. if they attempt to invade the property again, they should be shot. crime should come with consequences. we have 9% official unemployment in this nation and significantly higher real unemployment - i'm betting willing workers won't be that impossible to find.

    yes. that is why this plan is abysmally stupid. not only does it harm the people that OWS claims to be speaking for the most, it pisses off the vast majority of Americans who do not approve of such tactics and do not wish to have their pay reduced or lose their jobs so that OWS can throw a temper tantrum.
    Last edited by cpwill; 11-22-11 at 10:50 PM.

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