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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Excellent question. Ultimately it's up to the voters of the state and I think it should remain that way.

    Beyond all that, America isn't ready to deal with the disability issue. As a nation we can't deal with disability justly on general basis. Look at the levels of unemployment and underemployment for people with disabilities. Shameful. That represents national attitude as whole. When it the last time you saw a disabled newscaster? Bank manager? Grocery store manager? Sales person? Doctor? Meter reader? Elected official? Rock star? Dentist? Mechanic? School principal? IT person? Yeah, one or two, maybe. As a nation we must first address where we stand regarding real equality for people with disabilities before we start talking about elected officials.

    Where is the evidence that Gifford's intellectual ability and reasoning is impaired? There is none. A huge mistake people often make is to assume that speech or lack thereof is an indicator of intelligence. That's not correct. Language in fact is NOT a precursor to intelligence. Speech certainly is not. How then would disqualify Gifford on the basis of disability? How then would disqualify anyone on the basis of disability? If you are elected, then you are sent by the people.

    You want candidates to take IQ tests? You want elected officials and staff to take periodic drug tests? Start with that. I'm certain more than a few elected officials perform their duties hungover and wasted. Let's start with them.
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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    First of all shame on all of you for calling her disabled. None of you are doctors that have examined her so you can't say she is mentally disabled. There's no reason for the congresswoman to give up her seat. Its a democracy and we only elect representative for 2 year terms. If her constituents feel they are being underrepresented they can vote for someone else.
    She was shot in the face and is undergoing physical therapy, during which she has not yet resumed the duties of her office. She is disabled. Whether or not she is permanently disabled, or whether or not she will be able to resume working-- either at her current job or at another job-- remains to be determined. I do not believe anyone is advocating that she be disqualified for office, only that she be removed from office for the duration of her convalescence. No one here seems to be saying that they have any problem with her resuming the duties of her office as soon as she is ready to do so.

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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    She was shot in the face and is undergoing physical therapy, during which she has not yet resumed the duties of her office. She is disabled. Whether or not she is permanently disabled, or whether or not she will be able to resume working-- either at her current job or at another job-- remains to be determined. I do not believe anyone is advocating that she be disqualified for office, only that she be removed from office for the duration of her convalescence. No one here seems to be saying that they have any problem with her resuming the duties of her office as soon as she is ready to do so.
    You live in Oregon. Giffords is not your representative. Let the people of Arizona deal with it as we decide.










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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Other. I really don't know to be honest and both sides make good points. While it's true that she was duly elected by the people of her district and she should be able to serve in full within a reasonable amount of time it's also true that her district is unrepresented until that time, so it seems that the right to representation trumps her priveledge of service. In another way of looking at this though, if all it took was a cheap shot at a disliked candidate to change representation it would almost seem that having the amendment might encourage further attacks by other politically motivated nutjobs.

    Here's another thing to consider as well: Congress has the right to make and enforce it's rules regarding voting and decorum, so they have the right to determine such a thing as disability, but it's also true that states have the right to determine their election laws. Maybe the easiest thing to do would be for congress to allow for states to appoint or temporarily elect a proxy to serve during a situation where the representative is incapacitated and those results would be null and void upon the return of the dutifully elected rep.

    This is an interesting thread to be sure and the most interesting thing is that states rights and federal responsibilities seem to converge on this one to a point that the onus is on both of them to get something like this done.

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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Okay, I'm going to take on the job of asshole and ask this question.

    Should we have an amendment to the Constitution regarding Representatives and Senators who are unable to discharge their powers and duties so that another person may have their seat and represent their constituents?

    The reason why I ask is because of Gabrielle Giffords. She's the Representative of Arizona's 8th district. Since assuming her 3rd term on January 3 of 2011, she has missed 98% of the votes in Congress. This is, of course, because she was shot on January 8 of 2011.

    Now I absolutely commend her for her struggles in recovering from that shooting, and do not in any way seek to take away from that. Also, I wish her nothing but the best in her recovery. I will also be the first to praise her and her husband for their bravery in dealing with this tragedy that struck them.

    Even so, Arizona's 8th district is being unrepresented in Congress. And that really doesn't sit well with me.

    We have the 25th Amendment to deal with Presidential succession and disability in order to officially clear the matter. However, we have no manner to deal with Representatives and Senators who are unable to discharge their duties. And I think that their duties are equally as important as those of the President.

    So should we have an amendment that provides for procedures to replace an elected Representative or Senator who is unable to do his or her duty in Congress?
    I would guess Representative Gifford's constituents already have a mechanism to replace her but have chosen not to at this time. Am I wrong about that?
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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I would guess Representative Gifford's constituents already have a mechanism to replace her but have chosen not to at this time. Am I wrong about that?
    As far as I know, there is no mechanism for disabled Representatives and Senators.

    The closest thing there is is recall elections. But those are more done for corrupt officials or to unseat officials who became too unpopular before the end of their term.

    But neither of those apply. Giffords is not corrupt and she is still popular. However, she is still too physically disabled to execute the powers and duties she was elected to perform on behalf of her constituents.

    So I think there should be some kind of mechanism in place for members of Congress who are not corrupt and are still popular but suffer from some kind of disability that prevents them from serving their position they were elected to.
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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    As far as I know, there is no mechanism for disabled Representatives and Senators.

    The closest thing there is is recall elections. But those are more done for corrupt officials or to unseat officials who became too unpopular before the end of their term.

    But neither of those apply. Giffords is not corrupt and she is still popular. However, she is still too physically disabled to execute the powers and duties she was elected to perform on behalf of her constituents.

    So I think there should be some kind of mechanism in place for members of Congress who are not corrupt and are still popular but suffer from some kind of disability that prevents them from serving their position they were elected to.
    Vote of temporary appointment maybe?
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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Lets have an amendment to ban sale of guns to mentally ill teabaggers and we won't need to have this discussion.
    IMO, this will help., but as long as conservatives love guns and the liberals fear a loss of votes.....
    Something, how England was able to dis-arm their police 20 years ago....
    Anyway, I think this is a state by state thing, not federal...and if a state is "happy" with "short one man" representation, then, as usual, nothing will be done..

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    Re: Should we have a congressional disability amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    As far as I know, there is no mechanism for disabled Representatives and Senators.

    The closest thing there is is recall elections. But those are more done for corrupt officials or to unseat officials who became too unpopular before the end of their term.

    But neither of those apply. Giffords is not corrupt and she is still popular. However, she is still too physically disabled to execute the powers and duties she was elected to perform on behalf of her constituents.

    So I think there should be some kind of mechanism in place for members of Congress who are not corrupt and are still popular but suffer from some kind of disability that prevents them from serving their position they were elected to.
    It appears it will be resolved by May:

    "Mr. Rogers acknowledged that nobody was certain what Ms. Giffords would decide between now and May, when her nominating papers to run for re-election are due. “If she decided she wanted to do something else,” he said, “it would be a wide-open race.”

    “The voters may be trying to calibrate the trajectory of her recovery, where will she be in March or June or September,” Mr. McNulty said. “But, personally, I think none of that matters. I am not intimidated by that. The esteem in which she is held is so high that the voters will give her as much time as she wants. They will consider it is all up to her.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/us...-to-cheer.html
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