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Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

Do You Support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?


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No, I don't support OWS. Protests against Wall Street and the government deregulations that have led to near economic collapse, yes. But two months of camping in public parks, attacking film crews, vandalism, blocking public buildings and private businesses, blocking intersections and roadways, this affects real people, people who are part of this 99% are being hurt. They've got a jillion different messages... protesting Wall Street, protesting university tuitions, protesting the damned establishment, protesting capitalism, who the hell knows what this mixed-up bunch of modern day hippies are even saying?

As I said somewhere else, it's like Woodstock sneezed and a thousand droplets of snot infected the entire nation. I'm as mad as the next guy over what government being in bed with big business for the past decades has wrought, but I'm not willing to turn to tromping on the rights of others, breaking laws and advocating anarchy as a solution.


Very nicely stated. A cookie is coming your way. (raisin oatmeal)
 
No, I don't support OWS. Protests against Wall Street and the government deregulations that have led to near economic collapse, yes. But two months of camping in public parks, attacking film crews, vandalism, blocking public buildings and private businesses, blocking intersections and roadways, this affects real people, people who are part of this 99% are being hurt. They've got a jillion different messages... protesting Wall Street, protesting university tuitions, protesting the damned establishment, protesting capitalism, who the hell knows what this mixed-up bunch of modern day hippies are even saying?



As I said somewhere else, it's like Woodstock sneezed and a thousand droplets of snot infected the entire nation. I'm as mad as the next guy over what government being in bed with big business for the past decades has wrought, but I'm not willing to turn to tromping on the rights of others, breaking laws and advocating anarchy as a solution.


I agree also with their purpose and their complaints...but everyone has to realize that mingling amongst the protesters are the seediest side of life in NYC...alot of the crime reported Id bet isnt coming from all OWS protesters but the criminal element blending and mingling into the crowd...any large gatherings in the city bring out the street crawlers...its time it gets cleaned up...theres many other regular people that cant to work for too long and its harming them....the OWS made their point
 
But on the plus side, Conservatives will call OWS heroes or victims if they start killing the police and arming themselves.

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I support the protesters rights to do this but if they get gassed, batoned and run over by the police, that is their own fault. I think they would better serve the movement by focusing on organizing, putting people in power like the tea partiers to really make change. From what I've seen though, they will probably just stay stay trapped in their idealism...
 
Best thing to do with Hatuey is to ignore him. He'll go away...

5 dollar fees right? Please tell us more about OWS. I just want to hear about your vast knowledge of the movement itself and how it has rallied around these 5 dollar fees that are hurting so many people. C'mon MaggieD. This is your chance to play with the big boys instead of using hyperbole and hiding behind X Factor, as a matter of fact, the both of you, c'mon down. Tell us what OWS can do in order to effect change in a way you'll approve of.

Should they elect bat**** insane people like the Tea Parties have? Should OWS have their own Bachmans?

Should they listen to "lawful" orders to disperse by the same establishment that they're trying to change?

I'm just anxious to hear this. Tell us all about your watered down version of civil disobedience is.

Sit around, eat hot dogs, wave flags and call each other patriots?

Maybe you could enlighten myself as well as the rest of the forum on this.

I'm waiting. :)
 
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5 dollar fees right? Please tell us more about OWS. I just want to hear about your knowledge of the movement itself and how it has rallied around these 5 dollar fees that are hurting so many people.

That's funny. Know what I'd like to hear? One intelligent post on this thread from Hatuey.
 
That's funny. Know what I'd like to hear? One intelligent post on this thread from Hatuey.

You get called on your statement and you don't even have the vagina to back it up with any substance. I'm still waiting. What are these 5 dollar fees that the OWS movement is about? Tell us all about them and how millions of people across the country have joined in demonstration against the tyranny they support. My ears are just burning to listen to you elaborate on your amazingly intelligent thoughts on the matter.
 
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You get called on your statement and you don't even have the vagina to back it up with any substance. I'm still waiting. What are these 5 dollar fees that the OWS movement is about? Tell us all about them and how millions of people across the country have joined in demonstration against the tyranny they support. My ears are just burning to listen to you elaborate on your amazingly intelligent thoughts on the matter.

Know what I'd like to hear? One intelligent post on this thread from Hatuey.

Waaaaiting...
 
5 dollar fees right? Please tell us more about OWS. I just want to hear about your vast knowledge of the movement itself and how it has rallied around these 5 dollar fees that are hurting so many people. C'mon MaggieD. This is your chance to play with the big boys instead of using hyperbole and hiding behind X Factor, as a matter of fact, the both of you, c'mon down. Tell us what OWS can do in order to effect change in a way you'll approve of.

Should they elect bat**** insane people like the Tea Parties have? Should OWS have their own Bachmans?

Should they listen to "lawful" orders to disperse by the same establishment that they're trying to change?

I'm just anxious to hear this. Tell us all about your watered down version of civil disobedience is.

Sit around, eat hot dogs, wave flags and call each other patriots?

Maybe you could enlighten myself as well as the rest of the forum on this.

I'm waiting. :)

Well, first off they'd need a consistent "message" that I agreed with. Beyond that, I'd have a more positive POV if their marches (or whatever) didn't result in riots, vandalism, defecation on police cars, etc. Oh, and the TEA party was never about 'civil disobedience'.
 
Occupy Wall Street: Public Opinion Of Protesters Higher Than Corporations, Washington

And higher than the tea party:

"Among 1,005 adults surveyed, 35 percent had a favorable impression of the protest movement that began in New York City and gained support worldwide. Only 16 percent could say the same for Wall Street and large corporations.

Twenty-nine percent had a favorable impression of the tea party movement and 21 percent of government in Washington. Wall Street and large corporations tied with Washington government in unpopularity, with 71 percent of those polled saying they had an unfavorable impression of big business and Washington. The tea party got a 50 percent unfavorable response and Occupy Wall Street 40 percent."
 
LOL, 39%. Hardly a mandate, and I bet those surveyed was anything but a random sample.
 
Waaaaiting...

See what I mean what I call you a troll? What about the 5 dollar fees? The entire forum is watching you run and hide from your own statement. Come on Maggie. Don't be a *****, yes that pun was intended, and just come out with it, that one too. What 5 dollar fees is the OWS rallied against?
 
See what I mean what I call you a troll? What about the 5 dollar fees? The entire forum is watching you run and hide from your own statement. Come on Maggie. Don't be a *****, yes that pun was intended, and just come out with it, that one too. What 5 dollar fees is the OWS rallied against?

You just aren't going to quit until one or both of us are moderated, are you? Run and hide? Hardly. If you don't know about the bank fee "victory claim" by OWS, then you don't read the paper. Maybe you're too busy cleaning up the basement. Mama due home soon? Obnoxious little ****.

There. That oughta' do it.
 
Well, first off they'd need a consistent "message" that I agreed with.

See what I meant spark? It doesn't matter what OWS does because their message doesn't resonate with you. So in essence, even if they are right in their protesting, to you that matters little because you don't agree with the message to begin with. Your entire thread was nothing more than a boring attempt at going "oh my look at the OWS this is making them look bad" disguised as debate. Isn't it good to just come out with it? You had no intention of sparking real debate. Just point your silly finger and let fellow anti-OWS come in join on the fun.
 
You just aren't going to quit until one or both of us are moderated, are you?

Why would we be moderated? I called you out on your statement. Now back it up.

Run and hide? Hardly. If you don't know about the bank fee "victory claim" by OWS, then you don't read the paper.

Bank fee victory claim? I've asked you for what seems like a half dozen times: What bank fees is OWS about? That's a very specific question. As a matter of fact, what are the list of demands by OWS? Tell us, what "fees" has this movement been about? Maybe they're written down somewhere? How could such a key element of the OWS movement not be written down somewhere?

Maybe you're too busy cleaning up the basement. Mama due home soon? Obnoxious little ****.

See why you're a troll? You couldn't back up your assertion and now you're mad for being called out. The best part is that I've gotten you to start talking smack not even 70 posts into the thread.

There. That oughta' do it.

That "oughta" do what? Are you talking to yourself?

Here I'll make it simple for you because you seem to be the one who doesn't read any papers, being a troll and all you spend more time worrying about how you look to the rest of the forum:

Bank Fees Are a Gift for Credit Unions - BusinessWeek

In just a month, Christian’s Bank Transfer Day page on Facebook has picked up 35,711 “likes” and the event page shows nearly 75,000 “rsvps” for those who have closed bank accounts or plan to. She goes out of her way, there and in interviews, to stress that BTD and OWS aren’t connected, though she welcomes the Occupiers’ support. (Christian also says she hasn’t received any financial support for BTD and her links with credit unions are limited to her membership with Los Angeles Federal Credit Union and Coast Hills Credit Union.) Bank of America’s decision Tuesday not to charge customers $5 a month to use their debit cards doesn’t change her mission, Christian explained in an email interview

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/online-protest-of-bank-fees-gains-followers/

On a new Facebook page called Bank Transfer Day, Ms. Christian, while acknowledging Occupy Wall Street’s enthusiasm for her idea, said the movement did not inspire her nor did it help her organize the campaign.

Protestors involved in the Occupy Movement have certainly helped spread the word, though. For more than a week, they have been urging supporters on their hundreds of Facebook and Twitter accounts across the country to join the effort and to also attend protests scheduled on Saturday outside some banks.

http://theglobalrealm.com/2011/11/03/u-s-credit-unions-boosted-by-anti-bank-campaign/

Bank Transfer Day coincides with the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement, which began on Sept. 17 when protesters set up camp in a New York park, sparking demonstrations and so-called occupations globally. Christian says Bank Transfer Day was not inspired by OWS and does not endorse the protests.

So you tell us, what bank fees is OWS about?

So in essence BTD and OWS are related the way time on this forum and being an actual veteran on this forum are related. I mean, I'm a real veteran who has spent 6 years here and yet so is a troll like yourself who has been here... for a year?
 
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LOL, 39%. Hardly a mandate, and I bet those surveyed was anything but a random sample.

Everything is relative. 35% is a higher approval rating than that given to corporations, the tea party, and congress.
 
See what I meant spark? It doesn't matter what OWS does because their message doesn't resonate with you. So in essence, even if they are right in their protesting, to you that matters little because you don't agree with the message to begin with. Your entire thread was nothing more than a boring attempt at going "oh my look at the OWS this is making them look bad" disguised as debate. Isn't it good to just come out with it? You had no intention of sparking real debate. Just point your silly finger and let fellow anti-OWS come in join on the fun.

Seriously, Cupcake, if it is the intention of OWS to unlawfully interfere with legally conducted business, how is that, in any way, a positive thing? As far as me making the movement look bad, they're doing a mighty fine job of that on their own. Look at the results of this poll. This stunt will not endear them to most people.
 
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Seriously, Cupcake, if it is the intention of OWS to unlawfully interfere with legally conducted business, how is that, in any way, a positive thing?

Do the words civil disobedience mean anything to you? I really hope you'll go into trying to determine the parameters of civil disobedience.

As far as me making the movement look bad, they're doing a might fine job of that on their own. Look at the results of this poll. This stunt will not endear them to most people.

Spoken like a true forum troglodyte. Yes, this forum which is populated by people who read newspapers is what? A microcosm of the American landscape? Your opinion on how people view OWS is even less valuable than that poll posted by Catwaba. I'm actually glad they're doing this. The further they push, the more force they "make" the government use by holding hands and setting up tents, the worse the government looks. America, the country that fought so that Iraqis could demonstrate against their governments, is now clamping down on demonstrators and using a myriad of antidemocratic means in order to achieve it.

It doesn't matter whether conservative sycophants like you or Maggie don't like them. The fact remains that OWS is now a global movement. Cities across the world are seeing millions of citizens join up in solidarity and demand the same basic changes to the status quo. They're still there and every single day a new city is being occupied New York, Montreal, Delhi Barcelona, Halifax, Cairo, the movement has now gone global. So whether a few people don't like them is irrelevant, it simply won't be stopped.

:shrug:
 
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OWS - Just keep doing what you are doing!


 
You start a thread about a movement you have tried to make "look bad" no matter what they do and you accuse others of trolling? Lawls. Look sparky, it doesn't really matter what OWS does. At the end of the day, you don't like them. So whether they carry our legal or illegal action, you'll find a reason to bitch and moan about how "bad" they look to people who disagree with OWS for ideological reasons. It's not my fault you attract anti-OWS psychophants like MaggieD who don't have a first clue as to what it is about but feel the need to insert themselves into any discussion about it and then cry because they're being called trolls. :shrug:

What is OWS about again Maggie? 5$ fees?

I think you're being inflammatory, but I do agree that there are some people who were against it from day one, even when there were only a few dozen people showing up on Wall Street. The same people are trying to say "I told you so now" and look for any pretext to come down against it. They go pretty hand in hand with the media and the very people working hard to defame the movement.

I do think OWS took several fatal turns in their approach, and there was a lack of cohesion. My hope is that they come back more organized, and more prepared. Every protest is a learning experience.
 
It's unfortunate that the cycle of partisan perspectives repeats itself. Supporters of the Tea Party - or any conservative movement for that matter - got upset when they were characterized in a certain light. They felt misunderstood, like their movement was not really being read into. I think it's unfortunate that some conservatives don't see the duplicity of turning around and doing that to another movement from day one, just because it has been characterized as a "liberal" movement.

Both sides of the partisan coin are playing right into the hands of the ruling class. They want this partisan bitch fest to continue because it means that the American populace will pose no threat to them.

I don't think OWS made all the right moves but it's a shame that it came apart at the seams from an ongoing media campaign, and a lot of partisan hacks attacking them. People blame the OWS movement for being bad, but I think a movement is only as good as the support it gets. Seems like there are more couch potato politics debaters than there are activists in our country anymore. I am worried for our country because of this.
 
As I said somewhere else, it's like Woodstock sneezed and a thousand droplets of snot infected the entire nation. I'm as mad as the next guy over what government being in bed with big business for the past decades has wrought, but I'm not willing to turn to tromping on the rights of others, breaking laws and advocating anarchy as a solution.

What are you willing to do then? Support the same folk that made this come about in the first place? Continue obedience to the status quo while this sort of behavior gets worse? There are "problems" with OWS, it's not a cohesive movement and there could be plenty of ways in which it could be made more effective. But end of the day, at least they've done something.
 
What are you willing to do then? Support the same folk that made this come about in the first place? Continue obedience to the status quo while this sort of behavior gets worse? There are "problems" with OWS, it's not a cohesive movement and there could be plenty of ways in which it could be made more effective. But end of the day, at least they've done something.

I don't disagree with you. I think this ousting could be a wake-up call for these demonstrators. If they really want to make a difference, now's the time for Plan B. As in plan.
 
I don't disagree with you. I think this ousting could be a wake-up call for these demonstrators. If they really want to make a difference, now's the time for Plan B. As in plan.

Wake up call is an interesting term to use. Because all in all, I do think that many MANY people misinterpreted the purpose of OWS. Because of the way it initiated and grew, I don't think you're going to get cohesive political plans. There are too many ideologies represented. The point is that despite the various ideologies and beliefs all these people came together because there's a problem, a central problem with our economics: Corporate Capitalism. This is a demonstration to the People and the Government. WAKE UP! In cities across America, masses have risen up to protest; it's a **** ton of people and they don't even represent all the people who think there's a problem. This is to demonstrate to everyone the scope and depth of the problem we face and how many are getting fed up. It's to get people to look around them, to see the world for what it is and to understand the path we are currently on.

Could it have been done better? Yes of course. But this is one of our first large scale uses of social media to create and sustain political protest; so we don't have it down just yet. And I don't think it's really the goal of OWS to give solutions. There are plenty of arguments to make on that front and that will have to be dealt with by the government. But the government being Of the People, by the People, For the People; it is endebted to US, not Wall Street. And this was also a show of force on that front as well.

I think too many people wanted to sell OWS short from the start. They never listened, never researched, never tried to understand. They used the same broken mantra to try to dismiss each time; but in the end it was retarded argument by retarded people trying to close their eyes to the world around them. Those people annoy me a hell of a lot more than OWS. OWS is just exercising a right, and god damned good for them! And look at how many people come out against that. A lot of those folk are the same folk who never wanted OWS around in the first place, who would never give it an honest go, who will use childish rhetoric and idiotic argument to dismiss. But what have they done for the never ending battle for freedom? Less than OWS likely.
 
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