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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You start a thread about a movement you have tried to make "look bad" no matter what they do and you accuse others of trolling? Lawls. Look sparky, it doesn't really matter what OWS does. At the end of the day, you don't like them. So whether they carry our legal or illegal action, you'll find a reason to bitch and moan about how "bad" they look to people who disagree with OWS for ideological reasons. It's not my fault you attract anti-OWS psychophants like MaggieD who don't have a first clue as to what it is about but feel the need to insert themselves into any discussion about it and then cry because they're being called trolls.

    What is OWS about again Maggie? 5$ fees?
    I think you're being inflammatory, but I do agree that there are some people who were against it from day one, even when there were only a few dozen people showing up on Wall Street. The same people are trying to say "I told you so now" and look for any pretext to come down against it. They go pretty hand in hand with the media and the very people working hard to defame the movement.

    I do think OWS took several fatal turns in their approach, and there was a lack of cohesion. My hope is that they come back more organized, and more prepared. Every protest is a learning experience.

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    It's unfortunate that the cycle of partisan perspectives repeats itself. Supporters of the Tea Party - or any conservative movement for that matter - got upset when they were characterized in a certain light. They felt misunderstood, like their movement was not really being read into. I think it's unfortunate that some conservatives don't see the duplicity of turning around and doing that to another movement from day one, just because it has been characterized as a "liberal" movement.

    Both sides of the partisan coin are playing right into the hands of the ruling class. They want this partisan bitch fest to continue because it means that the American populace will pose no threat to them.

    I don't think OWS made all the right moves but it's a shame that it came apart at the seams from an ongoing media campaign, and a lot of partisan hacks attacking them. People blame the OWS movement for being bad, but I think a movement is only as good as the support it gets. Seems like there are more couch potato politics debaters than there are activists in our country anymore. I am worried for our country because of this.

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    As I said somewhere else, it's like Woodstock sneezed and a thousand droplets of snot infected the entire nation. I'm as mad as the next guy over what government being in bed with big business for the past decades has wrought, but I'm not willing to turn to tromping on the rights of others, breaking laws and advocating anarchy as a solution.
    What are you willing to do then? Support the same folk that made this come about in the first place? Continue obedience to the status quo while this sort of behavior gets worse? There are "problems" with OWS, it's not a cohesive movement and there could be plenty of ways in which it could be made more effective. But end of the day, at least they've done something.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What are you willing to do then? Support the same folk that made this come about in the first place? Continue obedience to the status quo while this sort of behavior gets worse? There are "problems" with OWS, it's not a cohesive movement and there could be plenty of ways in which it could be made more effective. But end of the day, at least they've done something.
    I don't disagree with you. I think this ousting could be a wake-up call for these demonstrators. If they really want to make a difference, now's the time for Plan B. As in plan.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't disagree with you. I think this ousting could be a wake-up call for these demonstrators. If they really want to make a difference, now's the time for Plan B. As in plan.
    Wake up call is an interesting term to use. Because all in all, I do think that many MANY people misinterpreted the purpose of OWS. Because of the way it initiated and grew, I don't think you're going to get cohesive political plans. There are too many ideologies represented. The point is that despite the various ideologies and beliefs all these people came together because there's a problem, a central problem with our economics: Corporate Capitalism. This is a demonstration to the People and the Government. WAKE UP! In cities across America, masses have risen up to protest; it's a **** ton of people and they don't even represent all the people who think there's a problem. This is to demonstrate to everyone the scope and depth of the problem we face and how many are getting fed up. It's to get people to look around them, to see the world for what it is and to understand the path we are currently on.

    Could it have been done better? Yes of course. But this is one of our first large scale uses of social media to create and sustain political protest; so we don't have it down just yet. And I don't think it's really the goal of OWS to give solutions. There are plenty of arguments to make on that front and that will have to be dealt with by the government. But the government being Of the People, by the People, For the People; it is endebted to US, not Wall Street. And this was also a show of force on that front as well.

    I think too many people wanted to sell OWS short from the start. They never listened, never researched, never tried to understand. They used the same broken mantra to try to dismiss each time; but in the end it was retarded argument by retarded people trying to close their eyes to the world around them. Those people annoy me a hell of a lot more than OWS. OWS is just exercising a right, and god damned good for them! And look at how many people come out against that. A lot of those folk are the same folk who never wanted OWS around in the first place, who would never give it an honest go, who will use childish rhetoric and idiotic argument to dismiss. But what have they done for the never ending battle for freedom? Less than OWS likely.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What are you willing to do then? Support the same folk that made this come about in the first place? Continue obedience to the status quo while this sort of behavior gets worse? There are "problems" with OWS, it's not a cohesive movement and there could be plenty of ways in which it could be made more effective. But end of the day, at least they've done something.
    I'd be willing to support an organized movement with goals that they, at least, understand. I'll be willing to vote for candidates supporting those goals. I am NOT willing to support a hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells... which seem to be the majority of the protesters... who have drown out the original message in an orgy of tromping on the rights of others, harming the very businesses and jobs they claim to support, and basically turning cities into cesspools of confused humanity.

    If OWS wants my respect, it needs to organize itself, respect other people and the laws, hit media with an articulate, understandable message delivered by someone who can utter a sentence not containing the "f" word, and let the nation know what they stand for. Then they need to recruit political candidates that support their message, and get them on the ballot.

    I have protested wrongs in the past, but I never conducted myself in any manner the way these groups have. I have picketed peaceably, although illegally, and realized I might be subject to detainment and arrest. I never rioted in the streets, tried to block traffic, blockaded private business, or vandalized public and private property. Until the chaos ends, the only thing I'm left to think about OWS is that it generates anarchy, and therefore must support anarchy. When they prove me wrong, I'll listen. Until then, they're just another bunch of thugs.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'd be willing to support an organized movement with goals that they, at least, understand. I'll be willing to vote for candidates supporting those goals. I am NOT willing to support a hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells... which seem to be the majority of the protesters... who have drown out the original message in an orgy of tromping on the rights of others, harming the very businesses and jobs they claim to support, and basically turning cities into cesspools of confused humanity.
    Many of the "hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells" used to be the middle class before they became the victim of trickle down economics. Why should victims not be allowed a voice in their defense?

    If OWS wants my respect, it needs to organize itself, respect other people and the laws, hit media with an articulate, understandable message delivered by someone who can utter a sentence not containing the "f" word, and let the nation know what they stand for. Then they need to recruit political candidates that support their message, and get them on the ballot.

    I have protested wrongs in the past, but I never conducted myself in any manner the way these groups have. I have picketed peaceably, although illegally, and realized I might be subject to detainment and arrest. I never rioted in the streets, tried to block traffic, blockaded private business, or vandalized public and private property. Until the chaos ends, the only thing I'm left to think about OWS is that it generates anarchy, and therefore must support anarchy. When they prove me wrong, I'll listen. Until then, they're just another bunch of thugs.
    The great majority of the tens of thousands of protesters across the country have been utilizing non-violent civil disobedience to raise awareness in America of the concentration of wealth, income and power by the most wealthy. While I abhor any violence by infiltrators, I commend the protesters for being active participants in our Democracy.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Many of the "hodge-podge of unemployed nere-do-wells" used to be the middle class before they became the victim of trickle down economics. Why should victims not be allowed a voice in their defense?



    The great majority of the tens of thousands of protesters across the country have been utilizing non-violent civil disobedience to raise awareness in America of the concentration of wealth, income and power by the most wealthy. While I abhor any violence by infiltrators, I commend the protesters for being active participants in our Democracy.
    how does this involve "trickle down economics"

    that has become the bugaboo of the extreme left these days



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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Protesters pledge 'block party' will shut down Wall Street

    I heard about these plans only today and I'm curious who thinks planning to "shut down Wall Street" is a good idea? I don't. I think it'll only make their movement look bad. They're obviously looking to provoke a reaction. That's my opinion, what do you think? Do you support this idea?
    I support thier right to protest. I even support the basic idea behind thier protest.

    But I think what you are really questioning is if people support thier disruption. My answer to that is yes. The very idea behind protesting is to be disruptive to the natural way of things. Is it provocative? Of course it is. That's the point. So long as they don't purposely hurt anyone I'll support them.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    how does this involve "trickle down economics"

    that has become the bugaboo of the extreme left these days
    Do you really need to ask that question?
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