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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Reading that, Catawba, I support all of those goals. Now they need to stop what they're doing and mainstream themselves and their message. Most of America is sick of seeing tent cities on the news, and having some long-haired, foul-mouthed 20-something waving a fist in the air screaming at news crews. They are not only damaging their cause, they are destroying it.

    They need a group of leaders with maturity, brains, and the knowledge to get their message out on the media in an intelligent, understandable manner. I'll vote for them, guaran-damn-teed... and I don't care what political party they align with.
    Tent cities suck, protesting to the point of nuisance to general public will hurt your cause (though I will always support a group's right to do so).

    What really boggles my mind is that in all of this, people maybe should have at least taken a look at what was going down. As presented here, we see that massive deregulation really brought us to this place. While there is most certainly tons of regulation other where which is improper, proper regulation has also been stripped; and it was loosing those regulations which fully broke the system.

    Can corporations and banks be blamed? In a way, yes. Some most certainly were engaging in predatory loans and such to make more money. Lots of people KNEW that it couldn't be sustained. But the problem is that company A is making money hand over fist, company B cannot sit there and do the "right thing" and thus not make that money too. Not in today's day and age, maybe in a time long ago but not now. If that action breaks the market, and there is no market incentive to stop it, you use government. That's a proper use of government power. And to fix this problem, to try to even attempt a return to free market capitalism, we must reinstall the proper regulation.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Catawba didn't post all of them from this list. Here are the rest:



    These are from Catawba's link earlier in this thread: PICKET: Occupy Wall Street protesters post manifesto of 'demands' - Washington Times

    Also, please notice that none of these are adopted -- but merely suggestions. Including Catawba's post that you agree with.
    Clearly those are mostly pure garbage, and I would not support them at all. Those on Catawba's list, however, are spot on, economically speaking, and would go a long way toward repairing the damage 30 years of de-regulation foisted upon us by "the best government corporate and union money can buy."

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Tent cities suck, protesting to the point of nuisance to general public will hurt your cause (though I will always support a group's right to do so).

    What really boggles my mind is that in all of this, people maybe should have at least taken a look at what was going down. As presented here, we see that massive deregulation really brought us to this place. While there is most certainly tons of regulation other where which is improper, proper regulation has also been stripped; and it was loosing those regulations which fully broke the system.

    Can corporations and banks be blamed? In a way, yes. Some most certainly were engaging in predatory loans and such to make more money. Lots of people KNEW that it couldn't be sustained. But the problem is that company A is making money hand over fist, company B cannot sit there and do the "right thing" and thus not make that money too. Not in today's day and age, maybe in a time long ago but not now. If that action breaks the market, and there is no market incentive to stop it, you use government. That's a proper use of government power. And to fix this problem, to try to even attempt a return to free market capitalism, we must reinstall the proper regulation.
    The elephant in the room doesn't get the attention it deserves. If the securities ratings agencies (S&P, Moody's, Fitch) had done their job, most the rest of the other activities could not have evolved/prospered. By giving those (absurd) "AAA ratings" to sub-prime mortgage "CDOs", they (the rating agencies) enabled and perpetuated the path to the collapse exponentially.

    How they have escaped investigation/prosecution for either gross negligence or conspiracy/fraud just boggles my mind....


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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Clearly those are mostly pure garbage, and I would not support them at all. Those on Catawba's list, however, are spot on, economically speaking, and would go a long way toward repairing the damage 30 years of de-regulation foisted upon us by "the best government corporate and union money can buy."
    My point is that these are part and parcel of the same list.
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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    While I support the basic thrust of the OWS movement, I feel they are currently making bad decisions about using their time, energy and tactics. Making largely symbolic gestures is not the goal and focus is important now.

    Shutting down Wall Street is not the goal. Overhauling the financial system and tax system is the goal; getting the big-bucks influence out of government is the goal; making the government of the 99% of people instead of the 1% is the goal; keeping our school systems, medicare-parts A & B, veterans benefits and TriCare from being tossed into the same abyss as medicare-parts C & D is the goal.

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    ...Shutting down Wall Street is not the goal. Overhauling the financial system and tax system is the goal; getting the big-bucks influence out of government is the goal; making the government of the 99% of people instead of the 1% is the goal; keeping our school systems, medicare-parts A & B, veterans benefits and TriCare from being tossed into the same abyss as medicare-parts C & D is the goal.
    read OWS's main website.

    they are not about goals, legislative agendas, etc etc. they are "above" all that.

    they are about ending injustice & inequality. in other words, its all for show...at least for now.

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    seeings that I do not live or work in NYC, i don't really care if they shut down a street in NYC.
    NYC citizens and authorities might have a different opinion though, as they are directly affected.

    as to whether I support OWS or not... it really doesn't matter....technically speaking, i'm part of the group they have deemed is the enemy.
    i'm not a protesting kind of guy... having been through the experience of the 60's and having that experience leave a bad taste in my mouth, I don't go there.

    at best, I thank the OWS for giving me something to read about in the paper every morning, at worst, I say "f*ck you" for making me out to be the enemy.

    I spend all least week in Cali, visiting my kids at Stanford and some family in LA and in the Antelope Valley... everybody I know out there are either students or average working stiffs, but the message was basically the same among all of them... " I wish they get a job and stfu" ..I found myself having to defend the OWS against the opinions of average working liberals and Democrats.... was a fun exercise though... nothing like a lil political tension among family members

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    The elephant in the room doesn't get the attention it deserves. If the securities ratings agencies (S&P, Moody's, Fitch) had done their job, most the rest of the other activities could not have evolved/prospered. By giving those (absurd) "AAA ratings" to sub-prime mortgage "CDOs", they (the rating agencies) enabled and perpetuated the path to the collapse exponentially.

    How they have escaped investigation/prosecution for either gross negligence or conspiracy/fraud just boggles my mind....
    I held the opinion for awhile that the ratings agencies were rather negligent... but now I'm of the belief that they were simply outsmarted.

    I have a list of sorts... a list of people i'd knock the hell out if I ever encountered them... Quants are moving up into my top 10 with lighting speed.
    at this point, they are tied with the good reverend Phelps and his merry band of malcontents.

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    When a movement does not have a majority behind it, failure is immanent. A movement does not "need to grow" it should progressively build without effort in a matter of days not months or years.

    Movements that need years to grow are forced movements. And that is what the 'Occupy' crowd is promoting a movement that takes a large amount of time to convince the public to join. One must ask why if they are the 99% (us) that they need to court the public? Logically and obviously the Occupiers are not the 99% otherwise there wouldnt be any debate among the 99% to join the Occupiers. The Occupiers are a tiny fraction of the US population trying to start a new Government without even asking the US voting public for permission. I have not seen any ballots any Democracy being practiced by the Occupiers, all that I have seen are anti globalists trying to take over America by forcing propagandist misinformation and Anarcho Communist ideals on Americans.

    They lie when they try to claim this is all about stopping the corruption on Wall Street, about equality. What the Occupy movement is about is an ideology war, them against America. And the blind Liberals miss that fact equally with most Conservatives that continue the mutual blame game of "no its your fault!". Guess what its everybody's fault, and no matter how much we put blame on other people it wont fix the mess that we are in. The longer that we ignore our responsibility's the easier it gets for Anarcho Communist's and Fascists to take our country away.

    Do I support the closing down of Wall Street? The question is irrelevant since the Occupiers are not asking anyone if we want too.

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    Re: Do you support OWS Protesters Plans to "Shut Down Wall Street"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    read OWS's main website.

    they are not about goals, legislative agendas, etc etc. they are "above" all that.

    they are about ending injustice & inequality. in other words, its all for show...at least for now.
    They have two sites which are you referring too? This one Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for World Revolution or this one? NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

    BTW the Occupy movement is anti-Democracy. Want proof? Here you go! " We provide a forum for peaceful assembly of individuals to engage in participatory as opposed to partisan debate and democracy." Statement of Autonomy | NYC General Assembly # Occupy Wall Street

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