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If the Individuals had not given up any pretense of attempting to maintain some form of decency, morality, and values in society I wouldn't be sitting here advocating for the Government over the Individual, but when the Individuals cannot even maintain the slightest amount of common decency or values in their own society and become nothing more than animals, someone needs to step in and set things straight, Ikari. It's your "Freedom Without Limitations" ideal that has brought us to this point of having to go back all the way to the other end. The Founding Fathers set in motion a train without any brakes and now we're seeing the results of that as we approach the washed out bridge over the 1,000 foot deep gorge.
Who defines "moral"? You? I haven't found anything moral in any of your postings to date. No, that is why we instead work on the rights and liberties of the individual; not perceived morality which is floppy and changes from person to person. It's not the government's job to enforce "morality", but rather to protect and proliferate the innate and inalienable rights of the individual.
Freedom without limits is like a sports car with no brakes, Ikari. It can only go in one direction, and eventually you lose the ability to steer the vehicle without causing a catastrophic accident. My Morality doesn't get in the way of your Freedom, but when your Freedom gets in the way of my Morality, I'm damn sure going to do everything in my power to get it the hell out of my way.
It's a fun ride though. Your morality MOST CERTAINLY gets in the way of my freedom. And when that comes to pass and you attempt to enforce your morality over me through government force, we have a problem. I will not sit idly back as you steal my freedom and spit on the sacrifices of so many who fought to obtain and keep it. Functional communism is not a good thing.
Humanity is of no value when it is allowed to exist in an immoral state, Ikari. Assuming that you are correct in your ideal of what Freedom should be, then as abhorant as I find many of the ideals of the USSR, we would have been better off with them, or at least the Nazi's, being the main power in the world rather than the USA.
Who sets that? You? Who made you god? Your idealism of Communism and Nazism and your seeming belief that it is superior to the never ending fight for freedom is sickening.