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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Isn't it weird how people scream about how conservatives want to "legislate morality", and then they find a reason to want to do it themselves?
    Good luck with that! Greed and gluttony are hallmarks of capitalistic Americanism.
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    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course your not, rights empower the individual over the government. And a cog seeker would not want that. Nothing can challenge the power of government, yes? It's very much within the functional practice of communist regimes. They all do the same thing. Nothing above the State. But you're asking me to accept a system which apparently costs about half your population to install, and then subjugates the rest for all time. Beholden to the whims of government in some form of disguised "efficiency" argument.
    If the Individuals had not given up any pretense of attempting to maintain some form of decency, morality, and values in society I wouldn't be sitting here advocating for the Government over the Individual, but when the Individuals cannot even maintain the slightest amount of common decency or values in their own society and become nothing more than animals, someone needs to step in and set things straight, Ikari. It's your "Freedom Without Limitations" ideal that has brought us to this point of having to go back all the way to the other end. The Founding Fathers set in motion a train without any brakes and now we're seeing the results of that as we approach the washed out bridge over the 1,000 foot deep gorge.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We were meant to become freer with time, and that is the direction I wish to go. Being a slave isn't a good path and will not lead to good things. The real problem isn't that you choose to become a slave, but more that you wish to force slavery onto ME as well.
    Freedom without limits is like a sports car with no brakes, Ikari. It can only go in one direction, and eventually you lose the ability to steer the vehicle without causing a catastrophic accident. My Morality doesn't get in the way of your Freedom, but when your Freedom gets in the way of my Morality, I'm damn sure going to do everything in my power to get it the hell out of my way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course you'll take the machine, and in the process destroy our humanity. You don't see humans for human, you see pieces to fit in to other places, pieces to dominate and control and make obey your whim. In short, I'm the USA and you're the USSR.
    Humanity is of no value when it is allowed to exist in an immoral state, Ikari. Assuming that you are correct in your ideal of what Freedom should be, then as abhorant as I find many of the ideals of the USSR, we would have been better off with them, or at least the Nazi's, being the main power in the world rather than the USA.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Good luck with that! Greed and gluttony are hallmarks of capitalistic Americanism.
    Sorry. No. Greed and gluttony are the hallmarks of human nature.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    If the Individuals had not given up any pretense of attempting to maintain some form of decency, morality, and values in society I wouldn't be sitting here advocating for the Government over the Individual, but when the Individuals cannot even maintain the slightest amount of common decency or values in their own society and become nothing more than animals, someone needs to step in and set things straight, Ikari. It's your "Freedom Without Limitations" ideal that has brought us to this point of having to go back all the way to the other end. The Founding Fathers set in motion a train without any brakes and now we're seeing the results of that as we approach the washed out bridge over the 1,000 foot deep gorge.

    Freedom without limits is like a sports car with no brakes, Ikari. It can only go in one direction, and eventually you lose the ability to steer the vehicle without causing a catastrophic accident. My Morality doesn't get in the way of your Freedom, but when your Freedom gets in the way of my Morality, I'm damn sure going to do everything in my power to get it the hell out of my way.

    Humanity is of no value when it is allowed to exist in an immoral state, Ikari. Assuming that you are correct in your ideal of what Freedom should be, then as abhorant as I find many of the ideals of the USSR, we would have been better off with them, or at least the Nazi's, being the main power in the world rather than the USA.
    Is it just me, or is it ironic that you have a screen name and persona that prides itself on being a individual and doing things his own way regardless what the 'rules' of society around him may be?

    Anyway, there are some aspects of the past that would be beneficial to bring back, such as the concept of 'shame', for example. But pining for return to the 11th century is laughably not one of them.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Anyway, there are some aspects of the past that would be beneficial to bring back, such as the concept of 'shame', for example. But pining for return to the 11th century is laughably not one of them.
    Better the 11th than the 21st. My real preference is probably somewhere in the 18th-19th Century, but I'd rather go back to the 11th or 12th than to live here in the 21st.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    If the Individuals had not given up any pretense of attempting to maintain some form of decency, morality, and values in society I wouldn't be sitting here advocating for the Government over the Individual, but when the Individuals cannot even maintain the slightest amount of common decency or values in their own society and become nothing more than animals, someone needs to step in and set things straight, Ikari. It's your "Freedom Without Limitations" ideal that has brought us to this point of having to go back all the way to the other end. The Founding Fathers set in motion a train without any brakes and now we're seeing the results of that as we approach the washed out bridge over the 1,000 foot deep gorge.
    Who defines "moral"? You? I haven't found anything moral in any of your postings to date. No, that is why we instead work on the rights and liberties of the individual; not perceived morality which is floppy and changes from person to person. It's not the government's job to enforce "morality", but rather to protect and proliferate the innate and inalienable rights of the individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Freedom without limits is like a sports car with no brakes, Ikari. It can only go in one direction, and eventually you lose the ability to steer the vehicle without causing a catastrophic accident. My Morality doesn't get in the way of your Freedom, but when your Freedom gets in the way of my Morality, I'm damn sure going to do everything in my power to get it the hell out of my way.
    It's a fun ride though. Your morality MOST CERTAINLY gets in the way of my freedom. And when that comes to pass and you attempt to enforce your morality over me through government force, we have a problem. I will not sit idly back as you steal my freedom and spit on the sacrifices of so many who fought to obtain and keep it. Functional communism is not a good thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Humanity is of no value when it is allowed to exist in an immoral state, Ikari. Assuming that you are correct in your ideal of what Freedom should be, then as abhorant as I find many of the ideals of the USSR, we would have been better off with them, or at least the Nazi's, being the main power in the world rather than the USA.
    Who sets that? You? Who made you god? Your idealism of Communism and Nazism and your seeming belief that it is superior to the never ending fight for freedom is sickening.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Better the 11th than the 21st. My real preference is probably somewhere in the 18th-19th Century, but I'd rather go back to the 11th or 12th than to live here in the 21st.
    Yes, the era of witch burning and state sponsored "morality" was certainly better.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It does not say camp out in parks, bogart tax payer funded property as long as you like, obstruct businesses, obstruct other people from enjoying tax payer funded property like parks and sidewalks and so on.
    Besides the key word is peaceably

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, the era of witch burning and state sponsored "morality" was certainly better.
    Without a doubt. I go back to my mother's own experiences.....

    She came home to Minnesota for Thanksgiving during her Freshman year in college to find that my mother's best friend had been thrown out of her own home by her parents for getting pregnant before being married. This girl's parents refused to even admit that they had a daughter.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm a law abiding citizen. I wouldn't put myself in a situation where the mayor would be left with no choice but to evict me from the park.
    Come on, you don't speed just a little????

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