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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Let's say you were part of the Occupy, Tea Party or other movement you care about in large city. You've been camped out in this part for several weeks. The mayor of the city decides that enough is enough and you cannot occupy the park for as long as you want to. The mayor orders the police to evict you and your group from the park.

    Do you leave or do you stand your ground?
    Ultimately the answer depends on whether you believe the justice of your cause is greater than the law.

    In this case probably, because for a great number of the citizenry, voting is no longer an effective means of controlling politicians, so one has to go one step deeper to the influence, corruption, that is at the heart of the problem and is creating the harm to what the promise of the american dream is.

    Ultimately though, as a practical matter, I would never join in the first place as I have a family to take care of. However, if I had no ties to such things, I imagine my choice would be different.
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    That would really depend on why I was there. Of course, if it was for some cause I felt strong enough about that I'd already violated the ordinance saying I had to leave by a certain time anyway, I'd probably stay. Of course, I'd also be packing the means and willingness to violently resist any attempt to move me from the spot, which is something I don't believe most of the Occupiers have.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    And as is established with laws regarding libel and slander, with regards to handgun permits, with regards to banning of guns in bars and on school grounds, and other such things Constitutional Rights can be limited in reasonable ways when exercising them may be interfering with the rights of others. A PUBLIC park is open to the public, all of the public. It is the governments responsability to maintain it and keep it at an acceptable and safe level. These protesters, simply for protesting, have no more of a right to the park land than anyone else and if their continued use of it in ways contrary to its purpose is inhibiting or disrupting other people from also peacefully accembling there or keeping the government from maintaining it to the necessary level to allow it to be peacefully assembled in by others then...at the VERY least...there is a realistic and reasonable way to suggest that they are not within their rights to continue to "peacefully assemble" there indefinitely without the government possibly telling them to go elsewhere.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Let's say you were part of the Occupy, Tea Party or other movement you care about in large city. You've been camped out in this part for several weeks. The mayor of the city decides that enough is enough and you cannot occupy the park for as long as you want to. The mayor orders the police to evict you and your group from the park.

    Do you leave or do you stand your ground?
    In this scenario, no. This is predicated on the government saying "enough is enough" in the face of a very basic and very important right. In such case, the government action is WRONG and should be resisted.
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And as is established with laws regarding libel and slander, with regards to handgun permits, with regards to banning of guns in bars and on school grounds, and other such things Constitutional Rights can be limited in reasonable ways when exercising them may be interfering with the rights of others. A PUBLIC park is open to the public, all of the public. It is the governments responsability to maintain it and keep it at an acceptable and safe level. These protesters, simply for protesting, have no more of a right to the park land than anyone else and if their continued use of it in ways contrary to its purpose is inhibiting or disrupting other people from also peacefully accembling there or keeping the government from maintaining it to the necessary level to allow it to be peacefully assembled in by others then...at the VERY least...there is a realistic and reasonable way to suggest that they are not within their rights to continue to "peacefully assemble" there indefinitely without the government possibly telling them to go elsewhere.
    But by this logic, we could also have no assembly and protest since the government gets to decide who stays and who goes at their whim. I'd rather the People's right to peacefully assemble be maintained indefinitely then to give such broad and dangerous restriction powers to the government.
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    It does not belong to them so they have no right to occupy it.
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    It does not belong to them so they have no right to occupy it.
    Another argument against all assembly and protest (that doesn't take place on your personal property).
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But by this logic, we could also have no assembly and protest since the government gets to decide who stays and who goes at their whim. I'd rather the People's right to peacefully assemble be maintained indefinitely then to give such broad and dangerous restriction powers to the government.
    No one had more effective peaceful protest than Martin Luther King. He had a clear rallying message, people swarmed to him, and they marched. He never occupied jack ****. If they had set up tent cities, the coppers woulda' sic'd th'dogs on 'em.
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No one had more effective peaceful protest than Martin Luther King. He had a clear rallying message, people swarmed to him, and they marched. He never occupied jack ****. If they had set up tent cities, the coppers woulda' sic'd th'dogs on 'em.
    So? Does that mean then that people cannot exercise their rights differently? It's a right. And would it have been right to "sic'd th'dogs on em'" in Dr. King had assembled and set up a tent city? No, it still wouldn't be right. Besides, people swarmed to a lot of folk during the Civil Rights era; even the ones advocating violence.

    Besides, that comment has nothing to do with my remark.
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Another argument against all assembly and protest (that doesn't take place on your personal property).
    How about this one.... The officials that these people elected have put in place certain ordinances in their names that prohibit certain types of assembly in certain places at certain times. Those rules need to be followed, or these people need to be prepared to deal with the consequences of those rules not being followed. If they want to "Occupy" something, why don't they go out and "Occupy" one of the field worker jobs that the farmers apparently can't get filled?

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