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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Punishment must fit the crime though. We are not such a barbaric society as to demand outrageous punishment and decimation for small "crime". As I said, I don't think I'll ever understand the irrationalities of those who wish to live as slave.
    Again, she knew what the punishment would be; just as one of my own second or third cousins knew what it would be if he got caught with dope. He was shocked when his mother refused to come down and bail him out the night he got arrested for possession of marijuana. He was even more shocked when his parents refused to put out even a penny for his defense.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I completely and totally disagree. The most basic standard is called ORDER. Not even Law & Order, but simply Order itself.
    Not at the expense of freedom. Order and freedom can be maintained through PROPER law which enforces the rights of the individual.

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    Your proposal has been found 100% acceptable.
    Of course it has. It's a time honored ideal of America.

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    Which is why ours is falling apart.... because society is no longer allowed to dictate the acceptable limits of individual behavior. This has lead to social anarchy and the destruction of the foundations of this nation and our entire species.
    Ours has merely changed. Perhaps what most infuriates you is that society has chosen a direction you didn't like. And now you wish to go against societies wishes and their new defined "morality" through avocation of gross government force against the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Again, she knew what the punishment would be; just as one of my own second or third cousins knew what it would be if he got caught with dope. He was shocked when his mother refused to come down and bail him out the night he got arrested for possession of marijuana. He was even more shocked when his parents refused to put out even a penny for his defense.
    Fairly sad for such a pathetic crime if you ask me.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not at the expense of freedom. Order and freedom can be maintained through PROPER law which enforces the rights of the individual.
    Remember that I don't believe in Freedom the way you do, so its maintainance is not an issue for me.

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    Of course it has. It's a time honored ideal of America.
    I was talking about the dying on your feet part. That's definitely in the equation for the sort of Revolution I see this country needing.

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    Ours has merely changed. Perhaps what most infuriates you is that society has chosen a direction you didn't like. And now you wish to go against societies wishes and their new defined "morality" through avocation of gross government force against the individual.
    Possibly. What this may all come down to is who's willing to shed more blood to promote their POV.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Fairly sad for such a pathetic crime if you ask me.
    The rules are the rules. My brothers and I all knew that if we were arrested for certain things (none of us was ever arrested for anything) that we might as well not even bother calling home, because we'd get hung up on.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Remember that I don't believe in Freedom the way you do, so its maintainance is not an issue for me.
    Indeed, you have a demonstrated disbelief in freedom in general. A dangerous mind to free people everywhere.

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    I was talking about the dying on your feet part. That's definitely in the equation for the sort of Revolution I see this country needing.
    While the Republic may at some time require a revolt, it would not be along the means you prescribe.

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    Possibly. What this may all come down to is who's willing to shed more blood to promote their POV.
    Perhaps. But it's a pretty big discrepancy in your base argument if you claim society should set the morals, but then you're just upset at the morals that society at large has chosen.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Indeed, you have a demonstrated disbelief in freedom in general. A dangerous mind to free people everywhere.
    The same sort of mind that existed almost everywhere in the Western World for centuries, and only now that society and the human race have lost all form of decency is it considered to be aberational.

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    While the Republic may at some time require a revolt, it would not be along the means you prescribe.
    On that we will have to disagree.

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    Perhaps. But it's a pretty big discrepancy in your base argument if you claim society should set the morals, but then you're just upset at the morals that society at large has chosen.
    There is no set standard. We live in a time of Moral Anarchy. If there was a concensus opinion that This was Right and That was Wrong you might have a point, but there isn't a concensus on anything. I wouldn't even be all that upset if it was more than marginally possible to live a Decent and Moral life in this country despite the general moral anarchy, but it isn't.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The same sort of mind that existed almost everywhere in the Western World for centuries, and only now that society and the human race have lost all form of decency is it considered to be aberational.
    It existed in our infancy, yes. But we've grown since then and come to understand the natural limitations to government when referenced to the rights and liberties of the individual. The Human race is not static, stagnation is slow death. We evolve and have evolved past the necessity for absolute government control over our lives. Humans are not cattle.

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    On that we will have to disagree.
    Of course we do. Your base is counter to the whole founding philosophy of the Republic.

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    There is no set standard. We live in a time of Moral Anarchy. If there was a concensus opinion that This was Right and That was Wrong you might have a point, but there isn't a concensus on anything. I wouldn't even be all that upset if it was more than marginally possible to live a Decent and Moral life in this country despite the general moral anarchy, but it isn't.
    Perchance society has chosen this "moral anarchy". More likely it's not "moral anarchy", but rather a different set of morals than you'd like to see so you've constructed this argument to excuse gross government force against the individual to try to force what YOU believe should be the moral standard.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The same sort of mind that existed almost everywhere in the Western World for centuries, and only now that society and the human race have lost all form of decency is it considered to be aberational. On that we will have to disagree. There is no set standard. We live in a time of Moral Anarchy. If there was a concensus opinion that This was Right and That was Wrong you might have a point, but there isn't a concensus on anything. I wouldn't even be all that upset if it was more than marginally possible to live a Decent and Moral life in this country despite the general moral anarchy, but it isn't.
    Hey Tigger, out of interest, when do you think the turnng point came in history that this way of living became impossible? I believe it would be fruitless arguing your stance given I have no shared ideological grounds on which to begin it, but I genuinely am curious.

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    Re: Would you leave the park?

    If I was protesting something relevant to actually camping in some park (maybe the government made it illegal to camp anywhere or put certain, stupid restrictions on camping that have little to do with actual safety while camping there (not likely to happen in an actual city park but rather in a state or national park, maybe)), I might stay and get arrested, as long as everyone there was actually peacefully protesting and not agitating the cops. I am willing to get arrested for my beliefs/issues, if it is important enough to me. I am not willing to get arrested and beat up because other protesters are acting like idiots. Although there aren't a lot of issues now days that I feel are important enough to protest or that could be effectively protested by me in a way that would get me arrested.

    For random political protests that have zip to do with actually camping anywhere, I wouldn't be there to begin with. If it is important enough for me to be heard, I should be able to be close enough to live in my own house or at least find a place where I could live with someone else there.
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