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    Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    There are several threads on the Confederate flag that dance around this question.

    Many people, usually, if not always, conservatives, argue in favor of the Confederate flag and the desire to fly it or place it within the public domain. Oftentimes, they refer to it as if it is merely an innocent symbol of United States history, a symbol of state's rights, a symbol of fighting against far reaching federal government and sometimes even a symbol of patriotism.

    However, these arguments, to me, seem like revisionist nonsense. The Confederate flag represents treason. It was the flag of people whose actions were not based in love of their country, but in a decision to give up on their country and abandon it in order to form a new one. It was a flag flown by those who decided that they no longer wished to be a part of the United States and that they no longer wished to solve their problems while remaining Americans.

    Consequently, it seems obvious to me that the Confederate flag is not one that would be flown proudly by Americans, but one that would be flown proudly by those who no longer wish to be Americans. For this reason, it seems ridiculous to allow such a flag to be present on anything belonging to or issued by the state as it represents those who want to disassociate themselves from the state. It also seems ridiculous for anyone who considers themselves a patriot to fly the flag of people who abandoned their patriotism. Am I right about all of this? If not, why not?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    People have the right to do and say and express themselves however they wish. We should not be banning anything as long as it doesn't infringe on the safety, property, or wellbeing of others.

    If someone wishes to display the confederate flag, or pray to the east, or espouse communist politics- this is their privelege, whether it is connected to their cultural traditions and heritage, or because they are predjudiced, or for whatever reason they wish. It is their right. THat's what is good about America. That's what's patriotic.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    People have the right to do and say and express themselves however they wish. We should not be banning anything as long as it doesn't infringe on the safety, property, or wellbeing of others.
    But it is a symbol of a treason?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    No, it's simply a historical flag.


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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    No, it's simply a historical flag.
    Right, and it represents the history of people who abandoned the country.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There are several threads on the Confederate flag that dance around this question.

    Many people, usually, if not always, conservatives, argue in favor of the Confederate flag and the desire to fly it or place it within the public domain. Oftentimes, they refer to it as if it is merely an innocent symbol of United States history, a symbol of state's rights, a symbol of fighting against far reaching federal government and sometimes even a symbol of patriotism.

    However, these arguments, to me, seem like revisionist nonsense. The Confederate flag represents treason. It was the flag of people whose actions were not based in love of their country, but in a decision to give up on their country and abandon it in order to form a new one. It was a flag flown by those who decided that they no longer wished to be a part of the United States and that they no longer wished to solve their problems while remaining Americans.

    Consequently, it seems obvious to me that the Confederate flag is not one that would be flown proudly by Americans, but one that would be flown proudly by those who no longer wish to be Americans. For this reason, it seems ridiculous to allow such a flag to be present on anything belonging to or issued by the state as it represents those who want to disassociate themselves from the state. It also seems ridiculous for anyone who considers themselves a patriot to fly the flag of people who abandoned their patriotism. Am I right about all of this? If not, why not?
    It can be. All symbols really mean different things to different people. It's an "eye of the beholder" kind of thing. Is it objectively a symbol of treason? I think that argument can be made. But it also means a lot of other different things to different people, some of which you've already mentioned.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    But it is a symbol of a treason?
    I don't fly the Confederate flag. I could care less about it. It is a symbol of treason to some people. Hell, statements indicating disapproval of this president are considered treasonous by some people. It is a symbol of racism to some people. It is a symbol of regional heritage to some people. It is what it is. It is unimportant. What is important is not limiting one person's freedom of expression because it offends someone else.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    I don't fly the confederate flag, but it is a symbol of rebellion. How is that different than OWS, the Don't Tread On Me flag, etc? I think most people's objections are the racial connotations, but that is more of a cultural thing. I've found that northerners consider it racist while southerners consider it to be more of a rebellion symbol against large central (northern) government. The American flag is a flag of rebellion and personal freedom as well.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    I don't fly the confederate flag, but it is a symbol of rebellion. How is that different than OWS, the Don't Tread On Me flag, etc? I think most people's objections are the racial connotations, but that is more of a cultural thing. I've found that northerners consider it racist while southerners consider it to be more of a rebellion symbol against large central (northern) government. The American flag is a flag of rebellion and personal freedom as well.
    It's different because OWS and the Tea Party (who used the DTOM flag) want to improve the United States, not abandon it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    I don't fly the confederate flag, but it is a symbol of rebellion. How is that different than OWS, the Don't Tread On Me flag, etc? I think most people's objections are the racial connotations, but that is more of a cultural thing. I've found that northerners consider it racist while southerners consider it to be more of a rebellion symbol against large central (northern) government. The American flag is a flag of rebellion and personal freedom as well.
    Rebellion against the country, which includes that large, central (northern... not really) government, is treason. The Confederate rebels were all traitors, by the most literal definition of the term. Although that gets even more complicated because legally, the south didn't actually secede. They only tried to. So, legally, no treason took place. But according to the narrative of the southern rebels, they made their own country, and then levied war on the United States. That is treason.

    I'm glad this digression was interesting enough to warrant its own thread.
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