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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

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Bodhisattva said:
1. I have read the thread as it pertains to me and my conversations. Are you seriously suggesting that every person read every post when talking with you so that they might, just might, get a glimpse of something that you say regarding a conversation with them?

2. Wrong. You warned me once, not continually.

3. I asked you a direct question and you have provided an elusive answer after being asked twice... well done. :roll:
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I'm bored with this now particularly since you just accused me of not giving you a direct answer after giving you a direct answer. All you need to know is in this thread. If you want my answers, look for them.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
That is true, the problem is that when they speak of other abuses those trying to make the "slavery only" argument like to point to it's prominence within the articles, they conveniently omit that the prominence came because slavery was the last issue, not the only one.
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I think I'm the only one who has directly cited South Carolina's secession declaration (and the one who brought it up in this specific instance), so your comments are mainly directed at me which means that they aren't accurate for a single reason: I haven't made this a "slavery only" issue and most other people haven't either.

When are you going to start talking about people's actual arguments instead of distorted versions of them?
 
theplaydrive said:
I think I'm the only one who has directly cited South Carolina's secession declaration (and the one who brought it up in this specific instance), so your comments are mainly directed at me which means that they aren't accurate for a single reason: I haven't made this a "slavery only" issue and most other people haven't either.

When are you going to start talking about people's actual arguments instead of distorted versions of them?
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Actually I didn't know you cited them, I must have missed it. I was sure some others brought them up here, but they've been used in the past as well in the civil war debate.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Actually I didn't know you cited them, I must have missed it. I was sure some others brought them up here, but they've been used in the past as well in the civil war debate.
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EDIT- TPD is excluded from my statement because he did not use that argument I was referencing.
 
What if we did let the south have their own country? LOl. they would be a 3rd world country. They should be grateful they lost the civil war.
 
theplaydrive said:
I'm bored with this now particularly since you just accused me of not giving you a direct answer after giving you a direct answer. All you need to know is in this thread. If you want my answers, look for them.
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I couldn't find your answer to whether or not you like pumpkin pie... is it somewhere else? From you, that is all I am interested in finding out.

Everything else? Naw...
 
99percenter said:
What if we did let the south have their own country? LOl. they would be a 3rd world country. They should be grateful they lost the civil war.
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I think they would have been in really bad shape for a while but post WW2 air travel and the weather would have worked in their favor. For the record, I love parts of the south. Memphis, New Orleans, the Florida Keys - those are tremendous places to visit and they are food meccas to be savored. It is too bad about those hundreds of thousands that had to die however.
 
theplaydrive said:
Let's look at what you said then:



Let me amend my statement from



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Oh I see, so any opinion that holds the CF is anything other than "simply a symbol of the South" is "making more than it is". I think not.

It's a symbol of treason, slavery and racism in addition to a symbol of people's history, states' rights and whatever else.


It doesn't matter how you twist it. Your comment is just as ridiculous now as it was when you posted it.
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The stars and stripes are symbol of treason, slavery, and racism....

Those ****ing Americans..... Enslaving black people and turning against thier own country... :roll:
 
Caine said:
The stars and stripes are symbol of treason, slavery, and racism....
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unlike the rebellion and formation of the Confederate States of America, the United States of America did not rebel over slavery nor did it form over the deep desire to preserve the right to own other human beings.
 
Caine said:
The stars and stripes are symbol of treason, slavery, and racism....

Those ****ing Americans..... Enslaving black people and turning against thier own country... :roll:
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omg. another person pointing out the obvious and then thinking they're clever. i'm shocked.
 
Thunder said:
unlike the rebellion and formation of the Confederate States of America, the United States of America did not rebel over slavery nor did it form over the deep desire to preserve the right to own other human beings.
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Unfortunately, your take on history is wrong, so excuse me if I don't take your criticism seriously.
 
theplaydrive said:
omg. another person pointing out the obvious and then thinking they're clever. i'm shocked.
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Im not trying to be clever all.

Im just emulating the hard headed-ness it must take to be on your side of the debate.... :mrgreen:
 
Caine said:
Im not trying to be clever all.

Im just emulating the hard headed-ness it must take to be on your side of the debate.... :mrgreen:
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No, you tried to be clever and failed. It's okay. :shrug:
 
Caine said:
The stars and stripes are symbol of treason, slavery, and racism....

Those ****ing Americans..... Enslaving black people and turning against thier own country... :roll:
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Committing genocide against the first Americans too... Separate But Equal (Legalized Segragation)...
 
theplaydrive said:
No, you tried to be clever and failed. It's okay. :shrug:
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Confederate Flag is flag of people:
Of existing country wanting to form their own country, thus committing treason by rebelling...
That supported slavery against others that wanted slavery made illegal or were it was illegal...
That supported institutionalized racism against others that were against institutionalized racism...

American Flag is flag of people:
Of existing country wanting to form their own country, thus committing treason by rebelling...
That supported slavery against others that wanted slavery made illegal or were it was illegal...
That supported institutionalized racism against others that were against institutionalized racism...
 
Thunder said:
unlike the rebellion and formation of the Confederate States of America, the United States of America did not rebel over slavery nor did it form over the deep desire to preserve the right to own other human beings.
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That is not the point... the point is what the symbol of the flag REPRESENTS.
 
Thunder said:
the flag represents a nation that rebelled & seceded in order to preserve slavery.
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You are missing the point. Caine was comparing aspects of what the flags REPRESENT.

BOTH FLAGS REPRESENT people that committed treason, supported slavery and were racist to their core.

His point is perfect. You can do what you do best though... continue to create Straw Man and inaccurate arguments. :)
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are missing the point. Caine was comparing aspects of what the flags REPRESENT.

BOTH FLAGS REPRESENT people that committed treason, supported slavery and were racist to their core.

His point is perfect. You can do what you do best though... continue to create Straw Man and inaccurate arguments. :)
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the USA did not declare independence from the British, in order to insure the unimpeded continuation of slavery in the 13 colonies.

however, the CSA did secede, just for that reason. To make sure slavery continued unimpeded in the South.
 
Thunder said:
the USA did not declare independence from the British, in order to insure the unimpeded continuation of slavery in the 13 colonies.

however, the CSA did secede, just for that reason. To make sure slavery continued unimpeded in the South.
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You are creating a different argument for only reasons that you are aware of, I'm sure. Good luck with that...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Confederate Flag is flag of people:
Of existing country wanting to form their own country, thus committing treason by rebelling...
That supported slavery against others that wanted slavery made illegal or were it was illegal...
That supported institutionalized racism against others that were against institutionalized racism...

American Flag is flag of people:
Of existing country wanting to form their own country, thus committing treason by rebelling...
That supported slavery against others that wanted slavery made illegal or were it was illegal...
That supported institutionalized racism against others that were against institutionalized racism...
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What is this? You're really starting to worry me.
 
Henrin said:
Well there is a counter argument. I hope you can do better in the future. It is also interesting that you continue with the precedent nonsense. You should really learn how it used in the courts before saying any more nonsense, but I assume you will just continue on as if you aren't making yourself look stupid.
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I'll be glad to when the trollish comments stop.

theplaydrive said:
I'm bored with this now particularly since you just accused me of not giving you a direct answer after giving you a direct answer. All you need to know is in this thread. If you want my answers, look for them.
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The sympathizers haven't given direct answers because, quite frankly, I don't think they want to admit what those direct answers are.

Bodhisattva said:
Confederate Flag is flag of people:
Of existing country wanting to form their own country, thus committing treason by rebelling...
That supported slavery against others that wanted slavery made illegal or were it was illegal...
That supported institutionalized racism against others that were against institutionalized racism...

American Flag is flag of people:
Of existing country wanting to form their own country, thus committing treason by rebelling...
That supported slavery against others that wanted slavery made illegal or were it was illegal...
That supported institutionalized racism against others that were against institutionalized racism...
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Well now you've brought up something that we can actually debate. There are similarities and differences between the formation of America and the formation of the Confederacy. But I believe that the motives for forming the Confederacy were far, far more sinister. That is a major reason why I have taken the stance that I have.

That being said, your second paragraph is a strawman. Slavery hardly entered the picture of why the Colonies wanted to secede from Britain.

Bodhisattva said:
That is not the point... the point is what the symbol of the flag REPRESENTS.
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It's awfully hard to argue that it's not treason.
 
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