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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

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liblady said:
maybe just oscar's family.
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The Confederacy threatened to enslave black Northern POWs.

Clearly, the only black Southerners who like this flag, are truly ignorant of the past.

Nevermind the clear racism inherient in the South's secession.

from the Cornerstone Speech, given by the Vice-President of the Confederate States of America:

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech
 
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liblady said:
really? you think balck southerners consider it a symbol of rebellion?
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Many do. I have friends who have waved Dixie and happen to be black, it's not a race or oppression or self-hating thing, it's a southern thing.
 
LaMidRighter said:
So that's what it boils down to huh? Lemme clue you in, many of the "hicks" in "fly over country" have more class than some of the northerners who like to use those words, many have college degrees from better Universities, and this "hick" here has a high IQ and knows more about issues than a lot of "Yankees". So let's drop the pretentious jackassery.
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But if the left dropped pretentious jackassery, then what would they have left?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Many do. I have friends who have waved Dixie and happen to be black, it's not a race or oppression or self-hating thing, it's a southern thing.
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i guess i'm not familiar with southern blacks embracing the confederate flag.
 
Centinel said:
But if the left dropped pretentious jackassery, then what would they have left?
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To be fair, I've seen plenty of open mindedness and intellectual thought from some on the left, and I've seen some real jackassery from the right. It boils down to can someone have an intellectual debate or not, I tend to let my inner jackass out every once in a while myself so I can't really judge, but I usually do that to make a point or I've given up on a poster.
 
liblady said:
i guess i'm not familiar with southern blacks embracing the confederate flag.
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Fair statement. I've seen it in person and yes I know that is the worst evidence. I'm just including it to make a point.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Many do. I have friends who have waved Dixie and happen to be black, it's not a race or oppression or self-hating thing, it's a southern thing.
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that's like excusing the waving of the Nazi flag by German Jews, as merely a "German thing".
 
I see we've gone back to the "all Southerners think alike and you non-Southerners just don't understand us" part of the program?
 
Thunder said:
that's like excusing the waving of the Nazi flag by German Jews, as merely a "German thing".
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It really isn't. Then again I wouldn't expect anything more than a hollow platitude from some people who just don't get it.
 
Thunder said:
that's nine people.
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Your right...

Nine pictures came up with on the internets.... and there are more... Im just not going to create an entire new thread just for pictures of blacks with flags to fulfill whatever quota you secretly required when you asked that idiotic question.
 
theplaydrive said:
I see we've gone back to the "all Southerners think alike and you non-Southerners just don't understand us" part of the program?
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No, just saying that not everyone who is black happens to think like every other black. Also stating that many southern blacks do appreciate some parts of our southern heritage. Besides, it was an anti-flag poster who brought up what black southerners think of the flag........not our side's fault on that one.
 
The Vice-President of the Confederacy said seccession was about white-supremacy and the natural state of black people, being enslaved.

Why do people deny the clear connection between the CSA and racism?
 
Thunder said:
The Confederacy threatened to enslave black Northern POWs.

Clearly, the only black Southerners who like this flag, are truly ignorant of the past.

Nevermind the clear racism inherient in the South's secession.

from the Cornerstone Speech, given by the Vice-President of the Confederate States of America:

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Historical Context you!!!

Everyone was racist back then.

One could even say that they were moreso racist in the north.....where they didn't see many blacks....and their children didn't grow up with them and call them Aunt and Uncle.

from Sherman (Union General)
Sherman said:
"We do not like the negroes. We do not disguise our dislike. As my friend from Indiana [a Mr. Write] said yesterday: "The whole people of the Northwestern States are opposed to having many negroes among them and that principal or prejudice has been engraved in the legislation for nearly all the Northwestern States."
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Thunder said:
The Vice-President of the Confederacy said seccession was about white-supremacy and the natural state of black people, being enslaved.

Why do people deny the clear connection between the CSA and racism?
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Because the Vice President of the Confederacy isn't the Confederacy.

Just like Joe Biden isn't America.
 
Caine said:
Because the Vice President of the Confederacy isn't the Confederacy.

Just like Joe Biden isn't America.
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its very simple: suggesting that secession was not about slavery or racism, is historical revisionism, not unlike Holocaust-denial.
 
liblady said:
i guess i'm not familiar with southern blacks embracing the confederate flag.
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Im sure you've also been told and taught to believe that blacks weren't soldiers in the confederate army.

That they weren't respected by the south.

You've been taught to believe all of the vile and hateful forms of Slavery, yet never being taught any of the more predominant forms of slavery where they were considered as a part of the family. (Yes, I am acknowledging that they were still slaves... however I can actually look at things in historical perspective... can you?)


Fact is... people with only a general education on the matter don't have a clue what was really going on in the south unless you bother to take a better look into it all.
 
Thunder said:
its very simple: suggesting that secession was not about slavery or racism, is historical revisionism, not unlike Holocaust-denial.
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Not about Racism.

You aren't looking at things in a historical perspective.

Nobody was fighting against racism... as all were racists..
 
Paschendale said:
Right, even the abolitionist movement. Huh?
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Yes.

There is a difference between being a racist, and not agreeing that we should have slaves.

The issues aren't mutually exclusive..... :roll:

Such simplistic views of the Civil War are so pathetic.
 
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