LOL. Yeah, I loved those too. If I remember correctly, we switched to watching night rider on fridays after the Dukes went off the air.
Well, she still is cute and sexy.see at my young age I just thought cute, sexy WOMAN. Not mega whore
Most people who mis-associate the meaning are wrong then. The funny thing about symbols and outsiders is that outsiders don't get to assign motives to the group and claim any kind of accuracy, what you can go on is the stated goals by people in the group, and when you look through this thread you see common factors: honor, patriotism, love of country including it's stated ideals, and a regret that the union has ignored them in favor of expanding federal powers that are not contained in the founding writings or the U.S. constitution.
Nothing changes the fact that the flag is a symbol of treason, slavery and racism even if it also a symbol of honor, patriotism and state's rights.
You polled people to see what they think, I'm not even going to expand on the fact that currently that disagrees with you on the original issue. You can't ask people for their opinions then make a declarative statement like above and be taken seriously. Finally, it doesn't matter what outsiders think of southern culture, we have our ways, we've made our mistakes, and still hold dear things that many of our countrymen have turned their backs on. We get to assign our meanings and make our amends, not you.
This could also be said of the stubborn biases of people who think they understand the issue of the confederate flag and hide behind appeal to populism within their own community. People these days arrogantly think that they and they alone control the paradigms of modern society.
I guess you missed the discussion points where it is pointed out that secession is not treason, not in the legal constitutional definition within the U.S. Constitution nor the historical definition therof.
I know a lot of Southerners who don't think like you so turning this into a North/South issue is pointless.
Kind of how you arrogantly think that Southerners are the only ones who can see the Confederate flag for what is really is. :roll:
Not all southerners do feel the same way, but then again we aren't prone to groupthink as this is an area that respects and adheres to individualism and self-determination. You formed an answer fine, but then again the answer is not as cut and dry as you like to present.
Laugh all you want, but information was presented that you willfully dismissed to make a point. Sorry if I assumed you wanted to discuss rather than skim over very relevant issues and stick to the simplified version of the matter.
Dude, seriously someone who doesn't understand southern culture assigning meaning to a southern symbol would be like me teaching the values of Kwanzaa as a caucasion. Hint, it wouldn't mean ****.
Its like you say, symbols are a communication device, that part is true. What is also true is that the communication is dependent on people understanding what is being said, with that, if someone who is not part of the culture mis-represents what the symbol means then there cannot be proper communication which is exactly why people saying "The confederate battle flag is racist" are completely wrong, there is quite a history beyond slavery that is communicated by Dixie that a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals completely do not understand because they were either taught the oversimplified version of U.S. history or they don't want to understand the other point of view. I listen, I take all sides, and I come to better understandings of subjects because of that, it is frustrating to see so many people make proclamations of one of the most critical points of U.S. history in a biased manner. I have nothing to "face up" to, the people causing the mis-communication are responsible.
I don't think you are which is why I think you're whole "Southerners vs. outsiders" shtick is absurd. But then in this same post, you do it again by saying, "this is an area that respects and adhere's to individualism". Does that refer to the entire South? Absolutely not, but for some reason you can't treat Southerners as individuals as I do.
You can learn the values of Kwanzaa, just like you can read a history book about who used the Confederate flag and why. I'm sorry that you only limit your ability to understand to things within your immediate reach, but I don't do that.