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All apologies, it appears I killed this thread with the introduction of facts and logic.
Prove it... (again) lol.ACtually they did both. Secession was not allowed in our constitution and therefore not legal.
Why does anything matter? It's just a question. Do you have an answer?why does it matter is it is a symbol of treason?
are people looking for yet another derogatory name to call southerners or something?
There are several threads on the Confederate flag that dance around this question.
Many people, usually, if not always, conservatives, argue in favor of the Confederate flag and the desire to fly it or place it within the public domain. Oftentimes, they refer to it as if it is merely an innocent symbol of United States history, a symbol of state's rights, a symbol of fighting against far reaching federal government and sometimes even a symbol of patriotism.
However, these arguments, to me, seem like revisionist nonsense. The Confederate flag represents treason. It was the flag of people whose actions were not based in love of their country, but in a decision to give up on their country and abandon it in order to form a new one. It was a flag flown by those who decided that they no longer wished to be a part of the United States and that they no longer wished to solve their problems while remaining Americans.
Consequently, it seems obvious to me that the Confederate flag is not one that would be flown proudly by Americans, but one that would be flown proudly by those who no longer wish to be Americans. For this reason, it seems ridiculous to allow such a flag to be present on anything belonging to or issued by the state as it represents those who want to disassociate themselves from the state. It also seems ridiculous for anyone who considers themselves a patriot to fly the flag of people who abandoned their patriotism. Am I right about all of this? If not, why not?
Humans as property. Its absolutely disgusting that any "god-fearing" person would justify such heinous act committed in our country. The US was the last industrialized country to abolish slavery because bunch of racist rednecks didn't want to progress as the rest of society did. The same reason the rednecks from the south like strom thurmond tried to filibuster the civil rights acts. Russia abolished serfdom before we abolished slavery. That's embarrassing.
Prove it... (again) lol.
Why does anything matter? It's just a question. Do you have an answer?
And that was bad, doesn't change the fact that the Confederacy was fighting for the right to own slaves.
I have know idea who john daily is.
No, they were fighting for their property rights. Looking at it in the from the wrong perspective makes your opinion wrong.
Not really, since no one said that those who like or fly the Confederate flag are traitors, but whatevs.my answer is... I don't give a chit if it's a symbol of treason... it's a cool looking flag.
I like the union jack as well... and the jolly roger.
I guess that makes me a loyalist pirate traitor....and that's fine, i can live with that.
Are you ****ing kidding me? Those "property rights" were slaves. Please read about 6 posts up and you can see their exact reasons as they stated them in writing. It was slavery.
As if you have ever done any research on any subject. Again, a flag is a symbol, and symbols are relative, so opinion is large issue. If a flag serves to remind a substantial portion of the population of slavery and war, then that's what it reminds them of and that's what the flag means to them. You can search for as many other excuses for the war as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the flag is offensive to many. Not that you would give a ****, though. There are very few people on this board who have shown a willingness to let logic fly out of the window than you.
You haven't given one response that was worthy of anything other than an eye roll. I am trying to provoke some actual thought out of you, but that appears to be of no avail. If you ever want to actually debate an issue, let me know. Until then, I apologize in advance for continuing to point out the lack of thought, logic, and reason in each of your posts, and for pointing out that they contain nothing other than simple rhetoric. So:
Can you point out anything wrong in the Daily Show clip with evidence? Can you say without a doubt that most Confederate soldiers were not fighting for the right to remain slave states (with evidence)? Thanks.
apsdt has made the point before that too many people are applying our modern thinking of the subject incorrectly to the topic and he is correct. Now, I don't think most owners had malicious intent towards their slaves and my comments along with apdst's don't mean we condone the line of thinking but rather it was the prevailing thought of the day.Are you ****ing kidding me? Those "property rights" were slaves. Please read about 6 posts up and you can see their exact reasons as they stated them in writing. It was slavery.
Hindesight is 20/20....most of the time. Yes it was slavery. No one is denying that. However you should put yourself in thier shoes and try to understand it from thier perspective. Those slaves were property. Was it disgusting? From our point of view hell yes. But to them it was just like a chair or house or dog. Would you not be pissed if you thought that the government was going to come in and take your property away from you?
So, by that logic, the Somalian national flag is a racist symbol and should be removed. Yes?
Not that it comes as any surprise, but are you really going to resort to personal attacks, since you've lost the debate?
apsdt has made the point before that too many people are applying our modern thinking of the subject incorrectly to the topic and he is correct. Now, I don't think most owners had malicious intent towards their slaves and my comments along with apdst's don't mean we condone the line of thinking but rather it was the prevailing thought of the day.
Like most symbols I think the confederate flag can represent different things to different people. Personally, I kind of assume anyone displaying it is an inbred southern hick, which is an unfair assumption, but that's the vibe it puts off to me.
The same could be said about the 3rd Reich's flag... but what does the flag stand for?
More racism. Awesome!
I thought the Libbos didn't like it when people brought up the Nazis in an argument.
Slavery was definitely the main reason and the Confederate flag is definitely connected to it, if only by its history rather than its present. I consider those who claim otherwise revisionists.Ok, who cares? The topic I have been debating about is whether the reason for secession was slavery, and therefore, the reason for the war. If so, it would be entirely truthful to connect the Confederate flag, which was created due to secession, to slavery itself.
Actually, they are arguing that the reason for secession was slavery. If they weren't, there would be no issue.
No it isn't. When I have some jackass telling me what a southern symbol means and it doesn't line up to the actual meaning it is a cultural judgement. Telling me Dixie equals racism would be like me telling someone of a different culture that my interpretation of their symbols or whatever is right.
At the time slavery was just another word for property.
Tell me, would you consider a pet to be property? Many would. Yet 300 years from now it may just be another word that could be associated with slavery.