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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    The 10th amendment doesnt give a state the right to secede.
    It doesn't make it illegal, either.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    The 10th amendment doesnt give a state the right to secede.
    And you have proof of this how?

    Quote Originally Posted by 10th Amendment
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    In proving that the 10th Amendment doesn't give a state the right to secede, you would have to prove that...
    A. The power to prevent secession is delegated to the United States by the constitution.
    B. The act of Secession is prohibited to the states by the U.S. Constitution.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    The 10th amendment doesnt give a state the right to secede.
    Of course it does. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Unless you can show me where the states delegated to the US the power to restrict withdrawal from the union, then that power is reserved to the states. In other words, the US government only has those powers it was delegated by the states. It has no other powers, including the power to restrict withdrawal from the union.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And you have proof of this how?

    In proving that the 10th Amendment doesn't give a state the right to secede, you would have to prove that...
    A. The power to prevent secession is delegated to the United States by the constitution.
    B. The act of Secession is prohibited to the states by the U.S. Constitution.
    Caine - Get out of my head.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because in 1869, the Supreme Court ruled secession illegal.
    Secession was always illegal. The south new what they were doing was illegal. You cannnot seize federal property. If china came and said all right we are going to take away florida form you guys would you say its legal. Same thing happened during the civil war. Insurgents tried to steal american property. That's unacceptable.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Caine - Get out of my head.
    Mwuhahahahahahaha!!!!!!
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because in 1869, the Supreme Court ruled secession illegal.
    Thanks.

    My contention is that their opinion is not based upon the constitution and is therefore invalid.

    Of course, they think they're right, and they got the guns, so my opinion and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Secession was always illegal. The south new what they were doing was illegal. You cannnot seize federal property. If china came and said all right we are going to take away florida form you guys would you say its legal. Same thing happened during the civil war. Insurgents tried to steal american property. That's unacceptable.
    No they werent.

    You have to understand something.... We've come a long way from what we are SUPPOSED to be.

    We were never intended to be a nation with a strong central government.

    The states belonged to the people of those states, not to the federal government.

    The civil war was a big turn towards a strong federal government seizing powers for itself left and right, in the form that you see now.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    No they werent.

    You have to understand something.... We've come a long way from what we are SUPPOSED to be.

    We were never intended to be a nation with a strong central government.

    The states belonged to the people of those states, not to the federal government.

    The civil war was a big turn towards a strong federal government seizing powers for itself left and right, in the form that you see now.
    We were supposed to have a strong federal govt. The founders tried a weak govt with the articles of confederation. that didnt work so they created a strong federal govt.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Secession was always illegal. The south new what they were doing was illegal. You cannnot seize federal property. If china came and said all right we are going to take away florida form you guys would you say its legal. Same thing happened during the civil war. Insurgents tried to steal american property. That's unacceptable.
    The states are not the property of the US government. In fact, it is more accurate to say that the US government is the property of the states. It is their creation, made with the intention of serving their needs, not the other way around.

    It has turned into a frankenstein monster.

    It is like the pot that believes it created the potter.

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