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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Or.......it represents the history of people who believed THEY were abandoned by their country. Remember, believe it or not, there were other issues besides just slavery which led up to the separation (location of the trans-continental railroad, tariffs, claimed 10th Amendment violations by the govt., etc.). Many cecessionists simply believed that they were adhering to T. Jefferson's words as written in the Declaration - they believed that if our Revolutionary Fathers had justification to revolt, well, then they did as well. Just playing Devil's advocate here.
    Are you kidding? slavery was the only reason for secession. They even said it as their only reason in their secession documents. Jon stewart explains

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...-commemoration
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    There are plenty that call them hero's. We call the people who call them this terrorists, Islamist etc. But they exist.
    That wasn't my point, my point was there is no point calling someone a hero based solely on the fact that they believe in something, and that we must look into what they believe.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    to me the. Confederate flag is a simbol of rebellion against tyrany.
    Listen to your conscience....and let it sink in.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Agreed. But taking up arms against the USA most certainly was. As was trying to destroy the USA as a political and governmental entity. Both of those acts were indeed treasonous.
    And the Confederacy did neither, which is why they technically didn't commit treason.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You're asserting a singular reason for flying the flag: advocacy of seperatism from the USA.

    In point of fact, people fly that flag for many different reasons.

    There is a small proportion of racists who use it as a symbol of their brand of idiocy.

    There are many many more who fly it as a remembrance of the Civil War.

    Some fly it as an assertion of the principle of State's Rights.

    Some fly it as a general symbol of Rebellion.

    Some fly it because they support the concept of State Seccessionism.... not so much the historical secession of the South, but the right of States to seceed in general.
    I understand people fly it for different reasons. What I don't understand is how people can completely separate the flag from it's past as a symbol of separatism from the USA.

    Others use it because Bo and Luke Duke had it on their hot-rod. I know a black guy who owns a "General Lee" replica, complete with Stars-n-Bars flag on the hood.

    Some fly it because they like Hank Jr, Jack Daniels and livin' in Dixie, and that's as deep as their meaning gets.
    I know a black guy who loved the Dukes of Hazzard and had action figures and cars with the flag on it when he was a kid. His dad was from the South though and had experienced a lot of racism. He wasn't too happy about it, but his kid wanted to he let it go.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I understand people fly it for different reasons. What I don't understand is how people can completely separate the flag from it's past as a symbol of separatism from the USA.
    Because some of those folks can view the Civil War in the proper historical context.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And the Confederacy did neither, which is why they technically didn't commit treason.
    Sorry apdst but you have not one shred of credibility when you talk about this era in American history. You are the same person who bragged that they could provide proof of eleven Confederate states pluys three border states having state wide referendums on secession.

    from apdst in his own words

    What I will do, however, prove that all 11 Confederate states and 3 border states had state wide referendums on secession.



    You showed us three and in one of those the vote led to a split of that same state.

    Sorry, but you have no credibility on this issue and have proven that recently.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Are you kidding? slavery was the main reason for secession. They even said it their main reason in their constitution. Jon stewart explains

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...-commemoration
    I think an entertainment show, is not a good source to learn history.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Indicted not tried, nor convicted and they all recieved amnesty in 1869.
    Yeah, I know. But again, Confederates referred to themselves as traitors and rebels, so I have no idea why you attribute the use of those terms solely to me and others in this thread.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I just fail to see why I should honor someone/a failed government who fought for principals that I not only disagree with, but that I think are horrendous, even if they were my ancestors. I doubt anyone here would call the guys who flew planes into the world trade center, or the guys that are setting up IED's in Iraq, and Afghanistan hero's, but they are fighting for what they believe in too. What they believe in is more important then the fact that they believe in it and are willing to die for it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think that Civil War was entirely about slavery, or that the average Southern soldier was fighting FOR slavery.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. Slavery was ONE issue, and yes ONE causal factor, but it was far from being the only one. It is highly arguable if it was even a primary cause, except in the sense that it affected the economy of the South and drove some of the resistance to Federal taxes/tariffs/trade restrictions that were actually key causes of the war.


    The average Southern soldier was far too poor to own any slaves. Slaves were expensive. If anything, poor Southerners should have resented the institution as it gave the rich a labor pool they didn't have to pay (just feed and house), which probably undercut wages for free labor. Historically, the average Southern soldier was fighting for his State, and for State's Rights vs the central government. To Billy Bob Infantryman, slavery was a side issue, if an issue at all.

    The Southern army was outnumbered 4 to 1, had not one single cannon factory compared to the North which had many, possessed no Navy to speak of, and was generally very much the underdog. Yet they won most early campaigns thanks to the strategic and tactical skills of their Generals, and to the shooting skills and ability to endure hardship that Southern soldiers possessed in abundance. These are things that Southerners take pride in... while at the same time acknowleging that our ancestors were wrong to practice slavery, and that the societal and economic weakness that a slave-economy creates was one of the primary reasons the South lost the war.

    I think you'll find that looking at the big picture, instead of just one single issue, changes the perspective considerably.

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