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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

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Bodhisattva said:
...You are going to sit there and tell me that the British Army... the most powerful army in the world could not and would not have beaten a bunch of guys with spears?
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Bodhisattva said:
Yeah... they were just a bunch of spear chuckers. Yep, that is what I was saying :roll:...
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actually, that is exactly what you said.

and it looked NOTHING like a metaphor.
 
Thunder said:
actually, that is exactly what you said.

and it looked NOTHING like a metaphor.
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Spears means outdated or inferior weapons. Jeeez. The most powerful army vs a bunc of guys with spears. That means that they are overmatched and will get the ass handed to them quite easily and has nothing to do with their actual weapons. Obtuse to the Nth degree. :roll:

And no, that is not EXACTLY what I said. Again, Spear Chuckers is a racist term that does not denote that they actually only used spears. My god, it is like talking to a foreigner. I said the racist thing not because I am racist, but to point out the ridiculousness of your interpretation. Is this what apstd did? Am I now a racist in your eyes?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Of course many American viewed Africans as inferior to them. The same can be said of any culture when viewing a differing one. The real issue is how does this real issue make the Confederate Flag a symbol of racism, slavery and treason? The same argument can be made that many Southerners did not view Africans as inferior to them. When you can show that this fact is false then you can make the sweeping claim that the CF is a symbol of racism, slavery and treason. Right?
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Of course I am right thePlayDrive and you have no argument against it. Hide away... like I said, it is a subjective argument that you will never win.
 
theplaydrive said:
Yeah, I said it was factually incorrect to suggest that no traders viewed Africans as inferior. And I'm not going to bother finding sources for a claim that you already agree with with.


I assume "they all" includes traders.
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I agree that colonial and later American whites viewed blacks to be inferior... I have never and will never agree that slavery of Africans was BASED on racism, and I do not nor ever will believe that the confederate flag is a symbol of treason, slavery, or racism.
 
Thunder said:
I am 35. I read the New York Times. I come from an educated family.

I have NEVER heard or seen the word "spear" to be a metaphor for outdated weapons. Sorry.
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The word "spear" is not the metaphore. The outdated unsophisticated weapon is. I could have said rocks or sticks. How about a Navy Seal fully armored and clad with AR-15 and all the gadgets versus a guy with a bow and arrow. That is the comparison that I am making with the British soldier versus the African tribesman.

It is an anology using a metaphore. I come from a very educated family and an upper middle class area and I heard analogies and metaphores like this all the time.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes that is exactly what I am doing, I am justifying slavery. You found me out.
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Ahhhhhhhhhh. Your posts make a LOT more sense now.

But hey, at least you admitted it and didn't try to hide it.
 
Caine said:
I agree that colonial and later American whites viewed blacks to be inferior... I have never and will never agree that slavery of Africans was BASED on racism, and I do not nor ever will believe that the confederate flag is a symbol of treason, slavery, or racism.
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My PBS source CLEARLY explained this to anybody that is willing to read and learn. And as you said, it was interesting that it was so soundly ignored. Must have punched too many holes in some people's over inflated opinions and unwillingness to admit error.
 
Caine said:
I agree that colonial and later American whites viewed blacks to be inferior... I have never and will never agree that slavery of Africans was BASED on racism, and I do not nor ever will believe that the confederate flag is a symbol of treason, slavery, or racism.
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Okay, I disagree and the Supreme Court + the US government disagrees with the treason part.
 
rickety said:
True, people do have a right to do and say what they want, it is not treason. Though should we as a country support a symbol with that much negative baggage?
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the idiots among "we" as a society give it that baggage with their lack of knowledge....

But.. I am not surprised in a generation where is is "cool" to NOT KNOW. You know... "keeping it real"
 
Phys251 said:
Ahhhhhhhhhh. Your posts make a LOT more sense now.

But hey, at least you admitted it and didn't try to hide it.
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I only wish we could reinstitute slavery today... I feel like I really missed out on a great opportunity. Yeah... not really.
 
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theplaydrive said:
Okay, I disagree and the Supreme Court + the US government disagrees with the treason part.
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Are you saying that SCOTUS and the US Government thinks that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of treason, slavery and racism?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I only wish we could reinstitute slavery today... I feel like I really missed out on a great opportunity.
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Ha! But according to some views, we're not that far away from it. So you just may get your wish!
 
theplaydrive said:
Okay, I disagree and the Supreme Court + the US government disagrees with the treason part.
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really? So the fed gov is trying people for displaying the confederate flag?

When was Jefferson Davis's trial again?
 
rickety said:
True, people do have a right to do and say what they want, it is not treason. Though should we as a country support a symbol with that much negative baggage?
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It actually is treason. The Supreme Court declared as much in several court cases that have been ignored at length here.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Are you saying that SCOTUS and the US Government thinks that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of treason, slavery and racism?
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No, but you could try reading my comment again.
 
Phys251 said:
Ha! But according to some views, we're not that far away from it. So you just may get your wish!
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Damn this Pacific Ocean from keeping me from my desire to own a slave in the USA!

People have all sorts of views now, don't they? ;)
 
theplaydrive said:
No, but you could try reading my comment again.
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I did. It is unclear to me what you are saying.

Originally Posted by Caine
I agree that colonial and later American whites viewed blacks to be inferior... I have never and will never agree that slavery of Africans was BASED on racism, and I do not nor ever will believe that the confederate flag is a symbol of treason, slavery, or racism.

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Okay, I disagree and the Supreme Court + the US government disagrees with the treason part.

It actually is treason. The Supreme Court declared as much in several court cases that have been ignored at length here.
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He says it is not treason and you say that you, SCOTUS and the US Government disagree and then go on to say that sCOTUS declared that it is treason in several court cases. If you are nitpicking about the slavery and racism part you could just say so. So you are saying that SCOTUS and the US Government thinks that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of treason then?
 
theplaydrive said:
Uh, no. Where did I say that again?
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You ignored my other question..... on purpose no doubt...

When was Jefferson Davis's treason trial?
When was Robert E Lee's?
 
Caine said:
You ignored my other question..... on purpose no doubt...

When was Jefferson Davis's treason trial?
When was Robert E Lee's?
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I ignored your question because it had no relevance. They didn't have trials. And the Supreme Court still ruled Confederate actions illegal and treasonous. Consequently, they were illegal and treason according to the US government. How do Davis and Lee change that? They don't. Thus concludes my acknowledgement of your irrelevant questions.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So you are saying that SCOTUS and the US Government thinks that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of treason then?
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I'm saying the government decided that the Confederacy's actions were treason (fact) thereby making its flag a symbol of treason.
 
Phys251 said:
Ahhhhhhhhhh. Your posts make a LOT more sense now.

But hey, at least you admitted it and didn't try to hide it.
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I did not think you would resort to stupidity over a real argument. Guess I was wrong.
 
theplaydrive said:
I'm saying the government decided that the Confederacy's actions were treason (fact) thereby making its flag a symbol of treason.
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Fair enough. Cases please?

And even if so... does a case about the Confederacies actions make all symbols of the Confederate treasonous? Is the Chinese flag one of Crimes against Human Rights? Is the Iranian flag one of sexism? Is that it? One action decides the entirety of the symbol?
 
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Blackdog said:
I did not think you would resort to stupidity over a real argument. Guess I was wrong.
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I'm pretty sure he is being sarcastic...
 
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