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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    LOL, no. I have never had problems standing by my positions. I actually made the same argument yesterday because it's true. Property is subjective in its nature, particularly when it comes to nations and states. Consequently, who has a right to what property really just depends on which side you're coming from which is why the "right side" of civil wars (any civil
    war) is always hard to decipher and is often a point of contention among historians.

    Nonetheless, while I recognize the subjectivity, I still take the side of Lincoln, the Supreme Court and the Union in general simply because history does not agree with your (and the Confederacy's position). If you look at history, you'll notice a theme. The theme is that many groups declare independence, but not all of them actually acquire it. The Confederacy is one of those groups. Look at every fight for independence - we don't call those fighting "independent" unless they actually win. The Confederacy is no different. It lost. It never achieved what it set out to achieve.
    You really have no idea what you are talking about. They already had it. They HAD it! They needed to protect it from a body that had to ignore its own laws to fight against it.


    The only way for you to rationalize your position is to insult me and others. This says a lot about you and the weakness of your position. It's actually a shame because your position has validity all on it's own without the cheap shots.
    Tell me again how the introduction has power? You might not have noticed but you didn't so far. Interestingly, neither did Chase that said it did in 1869. Can you do that for me? If not, I will insult you for your dishonesty at least because I think you know that you are in fact wrong or you would have defended it by now.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    The Rebel flag is a symbol of sedition and defiance against the United States of America.

    Sedition & defiance, all in the name of preserving slavery.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The EU is a federation of sovereign states. The United States is not.
    Nope.

    Still waiting for someone to defend how the Constitution is worth about the same as Kim Kardashian's wedding vows.
    Already did.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Confederate guns in Charleston pounding the hell out of Fort Sumter damn sure did, though. Major Anderson lawfully surrendered the fort to the Confederates. Pudy much made it Confederate property, at that point.

    Not to mention, the fort's guns threatened the safety of civilians in Charleston.
    an unprovoked act of aggression.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which they didn't do until they were fired on.
    Actually, the United States abandoned quite a few installations in the south, without being fired upon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They fired the first shots in reaction to a Federal occupation.
    oh, so Federal troops unlawfully invaded and occupied sovereign territory?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's called, "sovereignty". Kinda like when the Japanese invaded Wake Island and we took it back.
    tell us, exactly how many nations & international institutions recognized the sovereignity of the CSA?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    an unprovoked act of aggression.
    Having long range artillery breathing down your neck isn't provocation?

    Of course it was provoked. Lincoln couldn't wait for an excuse to invade the south. He knew he wasn't going to get popular support for the war and needed anything he could get to sway whatever support he could to his side. As it was, the war was still very unpopular.

    So, yes, the attack was very much provoked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    honestly folks, the unprovoked attack upon Fort Sumter by the Rebels is evidence that the Confederacy was just a bunch of racist thugs & thieves.

    did they first try to negotiate a peaceful withdrawal of American troops from the fort? nope.

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