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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

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    You mean the slaves that died under slavery? I'm a southerner, but I never got flying the confederate flag, it's not a flag of freedom, or states rights, it's a flag of oppression.
    Again that's how some see it, others don't. It's just a flag.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    LOL no. I'm pointing out the irony of those who think they're being patriots by flying the flag of traitors.
    Ya'll throw around words like, "treason", and, "rebel", and now, "traitor", not only in the absolutely wrong historical context, but I'm starting to think ya'll don't know what these words actually mean!

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I get the point. You and others aren't getting mine.

    It would just as treasonous to fly the American flag in Britain if the US had lost as it is to fly the Confederate flag in the United States.

    I'm talking about flying a flag that is treasonous TO THE COUNTRY THAT IT IS BEING FLOWN IN. Obviously, the American flag represents treason to the British flag which is why a British person flying the American flag would be just as ironic as an American flying a Confederate flag.

    In the US, treason is legally the act of trying to overthrow the government, or aiding the enemies of the USA, or advocating the overthrow of the government. (And we've had lots of people who have done that in recent years who were still not convicted of legal treason, for some reason.) Flying the stars-n-bars as a remembrance of the War Between the States is not, itself, treasonous.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You mean the slaves that died under slavery? I'm a southerner, but I never got flying the confederate flag, it's not a flag of freedom, or states rights, it's a flag of oppression.
    By that logic, don't ever fly the Stars and Stripes, because you will equally not get it.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think you put too much weight on those who honor their rich history by flying a flag that left millions of their compatriots dead in the dust.
    Perhaps. There are many people in this country who have ancestors who fought in the war and the flag represents the bravery of those who fought for what they believed in. It is putting a lot of weight to what simply represents the fortitude of some people's ancestors fighting for principles and that many of their descendants still believe in today. At the same time, the contradiction still remains because many of those principles were not only atrocious, but were also based on an abandonment of the United States. It doesn't make sense to love the US while flying the flag of those who did not love it enough to improve it, but decided to leave it, particularly in public places.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You mean the slaves that died under slavery? I'm a southerner, but I never got flying the confederate flag, it's not a flag of freedom, or states rights, it's a flag of oppression.
    No, I mean the heroes that gave their lives in defense of their principles. You know, your relatives. Misguided? No doubt. Honorable? Yes.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Perhaps. There are many people in this country who have ancestors who fought in the war and the flag represents the bravery of those who fought for what they believed in. It is putting a lot of weight to what simply represents the fortitude of some people's ancestors fighting for principles and that many of their descendants still believe in today. At the same time, the contradiction still remains because many of those principles were not only atrocious, but were also based on an abandonment of the United States. It doesn't make sense to love the US while flying the flag of those who did not love it enough to improve it, but decided to leave it, particularly in public places.
    Bolded portion -- in my mind, that's it exactly. But then I'm a rather fair-minded individual.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again that's how some see it, others don't. It's just a flag.
    I'm not saying otherwise, I'm just saying I don't understand it, and probably never will, even as a southerner.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In the US, treason is legally the act of trying to overthrow the government, or aiding the enemies of the USA, or advocating the overthrow of the government. (And we've had lots of people who have done that in recent years who were still not convicted of legal treason, for some reason.) Flying the stars-n-bars as a remembrance of the War Between the States is not, itself, treasonous.
    I don't think flying the flag is treason. I think the flag symbolizes treason.

    This is the definition of treason in the Constitution:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
    The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

    The Confederacy participated in both of the bold things. Moreover, I don't understand the argument that the Civil War was just a war between states. The Confederacy considered itself an entirely different country. It was fighting for independence.

    If the US had lost the war against Britain and people flew the US flag in Britain today, would you not consider it strange that British people are flying the flag of those who no longer wanted to be British?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I'm not saying otherwise, I'm just saying I don't understand it, and probably never will, even as a southerner.
    I hear ya.
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