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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Can you clarify your criticism? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
    I did before. The buttfiller decided to use the "to form a more perfect union" introduction part of the constitution as if it had power. If he was that dumb he needed to go home and put on a diaper and a helmet in all honesty.

    And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
    He even gets the point and the shortcomings of the AOC wrong somehow. They didn't put the most power in the feds hands with Constitution as he implies, but instead merely changed up the order of the people and the state. The fed kept its spot at the bottom of the pole like it was before but in his unlimited amount of stupidity he decided that a part of the constitution that was merely the introduction meant the fed was the big boy in the room when nothing in the paper or the founders words on the matter say anything of the sort. In short he was a dumbass.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1) The secession itself was the confederacy leaving the union. Nothing happened.
    No, the secession including the attack on Fort Sumter and all other actions by the Confederacy during the Civil War. The only thing in which "nothing happened" was the declaration of secession.

    2) The attacks came after aggression from Lincoln and ignoring of the order to leave their country. Lincoln committed acts of war making it warranted.
    The Union and the Confederacy viewed Sumter as their property. Who the Fort belonged to was a matter of perspective. Consequently, whoever committed the first act of violence were the ones committed the first act of war. The Confederacy committed the first act of violence - firing shots on what the Union perceived as Union territory (and actually was Union territory since the Confederacy lost never having made it their property).

    3) None of this is a conspiracy, but acts to get free and stay free from the aggressor.
    Nope, the Confederacy unlawfully formed a Confederacy and declared war against national authority. That's conspiracy.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    So let me get this straight. If a state decides to take away any right in the constitution, let's say the 2nd amendment, it is unconstitutional. But if a state decides to take away all of them and disobey the constitution completely its constitutional. One of the cons will need to explain that to me.
    You do know what a Union (Not the Worker unions) is right?
    You do know our name is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA right?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    It is fundamentally dishonest and an intellectual fraud in the extreme to openly declare your rebellion against the nation to which you belong and then stand back and put your hands in your pockets, shuffle your bare feet back and forth in the dirt and look all doe-eyed and pretend that you did nothing at all to stir up the hornets nest and nothing will come of it. That is either the worst sort of insincere intellectual fraud or downright extreme stupidity if you actually think that the whole thing is over then and there and everything from that point on is the fault of the nation who you effectively told to F off.

    And anybody today who defends that sort of fraud is just as bad and dishonest.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Nope, the Confederacy unlawfully formed a Confederacy and declared war against national authority. That's conspiracy.
    So what time in history did we forget that were a union?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    therein lies your basic error - I am NOT trying to change anything. I am quite satisfied and content with the Court pronouncements on this issue. I am quite content with the results of the successful defeat of the treasonous traitors and their crusade for slavery.
    You shouldn't be happy with errors even if they work for you. And like I explained it was not treason.

    That is the difference here - I accept reality and the historical record for what it is. You obviously are not willing to accept the judgment of history and fight to change it. Lotsa luck with that particular crusade.
    I will fight bad rulings in the courts if I can. You would as well if you knew what was good for you. Sadly, I fear you don't have a clue.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I did before. The buttfiller decided to use the "to form a more perfect union" introduction part of the constitution as if it had power. If he was that dumb he needed to go home and put on a diaper and a helmet in all honesty.

    He even gets the point and the shortcomings of the AOC wrong somehow. They didn't put the most power in the feds hands with Constitution as he implies, but instead merely changed up the order of the people and the state. The fed kept its spot at the bottom of the pole like it was before but in his unlimited amount of stupidity he decided that a part of the constitution that was merely the introduction meant the fed was the big boy in the room when nothing in the paper or the founders words on the matter say anything of the sort. In short he was a dumbass.
    So you don't like his interpretation of the Constitution which makes him a dumbass. This is not a premise on which fruitful conversation can be had.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Free For All View Post
    So what time in history did we forget that were a union?
    What is this question?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Treason in the Constitution is levying war against the United States and forming a confederation. The Confederacy fired the first shots on Fort Sumter - therefore, they levied war against the United States while being members of the Union (and also formed a confederation).

    In order for their actions to have NOT been treason, they would have to have been a separate country. In order for them to have been a separate country, they would have had to make themselves a separate country. They did not. They tried, but they failed. Declaration of independence is not independence. Independence must be be fought for and won. They declared, they fought and they lost. Consequently, they were and will always remain a failed insurrection - a treasonous confederation of states.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What is this question?
    What is this?

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