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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    LOL no. I'm pointing out the irony of those who think they're being patriots by flying the flag of traitors.
    You think they were traitors, others don't. That is what you fail to see.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    When I read threads such as this, I want to run the Stars and Bars up my non-existent flagpole.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Totally missing the point.

    The United States was a colony of Great Britain. We rebelled against British rule. By Brit law, this was treason... therefore by Brit law the Founders were traitors and the US Flag was a flag of treason. How many of those who signed the Declaration were hung or shot for treason? Several, IIRC. The US had no legal basis for trying to throw off Brit rule and become its own country.

    The Confederate States did much the same. They felt their interests were not being represented properly in Congress and with the Fedgov. Various political maneuvers were tried, including Nullification. Congress passed many laws that benefited the big industrial concerns and big shipping magnates of the Northeast, to the detriment of the agricultural South that needed to export and import freely to maintain its economy. The leaders of the South found themselves in what they felt was an untenable situation, dominated by a central government that was strangling their trade, and they rebelled.

    They lost.

    Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a Southerner, but I'm a patriot. I'm glad that America remains one nation. I'm glad slavery was ended (slavery was not the primary cause of the war, however; just one factor). The average Southern footsoldier did not own any slaves and most considered the war about State's Rights. However I think we swapped one set of evils for another: an overweeningly powerful Fedgov, whose power over the States has grown FAR beyond anything the Founders intended.

    I consider the Confederate Battle Flag to be a reminder of all these things, as well as a source of pride that the South fought (for State sovereignty) for four years against an enemy that had them drastically outnumbered and outgunned.

    I personally don't fly it, because I am aware that many black folks see it as a symbol of racism and I do not wish to be misunderstood, as I am not at all racist. However, the Confederate flag flies over the Confederate War Memorial on the Capitol grounds not far from the Statehouse in my state (SC).... and I consider that a perfectly appropriate place for it, as a reminder of that war, and what was won, and lost, in it.
    I get the point. You and others aren't getting mine.

    It would just as treasonous to fly the American flag in Britain if the US had lost as it is to fly the Confederate flag in the United States.

    I'm talking about flying a flag that is treasonous TO THE COUNTRY THAT IT IS BEING FLOWN IN. Obviously, the American flag represents treason to the British flag which is why a British person flying the American flag would be just as ironic as an American flying a Confederate flag.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Actually it is. Did you not read the title?
    Yes and my description remains accurate.

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    They were traitors. How am I ignoring that? LOL. I see you're trolling again.
    Now you resort to an adhom, nice.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You think they were traitors, others don't. That is what you fail to see.
    I don't fail to see that as I talked about those people in the OP. You can disagree with me, but don't accuse me of doing something I'm not.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    LOL no. I'm pointing out the irony of those who think they're being patriots by flying the flag of traitors.
    I think you put too much weight on those who honor their rich history by flying a flag that left millions of their compatriots dead in the dust.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    LOL no. I'm pointing out the irony of those who think they're being patriots by flying the flag of traitors.
    They don't care what you think, nor does it matter. It is your opinion and that is fine. Just don't expect others to adapt to your personal reality.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't fail to see that as I talked about those people in the OP. You can disagree with me, but don't accuse me of doing something I'm not.
    Yes you talked about it as a negative. I am sorry but you fail to see past your own nose.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    There are several threads on the Confederate flag that dance around this question.

    Many people, usually, if not always, conservatives, argue in favor of the Confederate flag and the desire to fly it or place it within the public domain. Oftentimes, they refer to it as if it is merely an innocent symbol of United States history, a symbol of state's rights, a symbol of fighting against far reaching federal government and sometimes even a symbol of patriotism.
    Yeah, it's called: freedom of expression. You know, that pain in the ass 1st Amendment?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think you put too much weight on those who honor their rich history by flying a flag that left millions of their compatriots dead in the dust.
    You mean the slaves that died under slavery? I'm a southerner, but I never got flying the confederate flag, it's not a flag of freedom, or states rights, it's a flag of oppression.
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