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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    "he" isnt doing any assigning, facts are, fact is that flag means MANY things and treason IS one of them LMAO

    you can deny that if you like but again the facts wont change
    I guess you missed the discussion points where it is pointed out that secession is not treason, not in the legal constitutional definition within the U.S. Constitution nor the historical definition therof.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This could also be said of the stubborn biases of people who think they understand the issue of the confederate flag and hide behind appeal to populism within their own community. People these days arrogantly think that they and they alone control the paradigms of modern society.
    Maybe this is where you're getting mixed up. A symbol doesn't have like some right meaning and the other meanings are wrong. Symbols are tools for communication. They mean what people understand them to mean. So, you know that to a lot of people, probably most people, what the confederate flag means is slavery. Whether you think that is "right" or not has nothing to do with anything. If you use a symbol that you know communicates a pro-slavery message, you have to face up to what you're communicating.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You polled people to see what they think, I'm not even going to expand on the fact that currently that disagrees with you on the original issue. You can't ask people for their opinions then make a declarative statement like above and be taken seriously. Finally, it doesn't matter what outsiders think of southern culture, we have our ways, we've made our mistakes, and still hold dear things that many of our countrymen have turned their backs on. We get to assign our meanings and make our amends, not you.
    I know a lot of Southerners who don't think like you so turning this into a North/South issue is pointless.

    I did start the thread with a question. I formed an answer. I'm sorry that you don't think I'm allowed to that, but when I recognize facts, I don't reject them just because their is a poll option.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I guess you missed the discussion points where it is pointed out that secession is not treason, not in the legal constitutional definition within the U.S. Constitution nor the historical definition therof.
    nope didnt miss them at all thanks LMAO
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This could also be said of the stubborn biases of people who think they understand the issue of the confederate flag and hide behind appeal to populism within their own community. People these days arrogantly think that they and they alone control the paradigms of modern society.
    problem is some people see BOTH sides you only see one LOL

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This could also be said of the stubborn biases of people who think they understand the issue of the confederate flag and hide behind appeal to populism within their own community. People these days arrogantly think that they and they alone control the paradigms of modern society.
    Kind of how you arrogantly think that Southerners are the only ones who can see the Confederate flag for what is really is.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Free For All View Post
    You act like just because you love something you have to love everything about it.
    One thing that every historian learns, somewhere in their education, is the view history objectively. Anyone that can't do that, doesn't have much of an education in history.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You confuse presenting the facts about you with a personal attack.

    You have been given all manner of sources of documentation. When you presented your sources on black ownership of slaves I gave you repeated links showing you were quoting a discredited white supremacist in prison on a life sentence of first degree murder. I gave you links showing that your source had been discredited by even an easy going site like Wikipedia and they would not accept his unsupported 'views' as a source due to the information not being able to be verified.

    When you claimed that only 1% owned slaves in the South, I gave you many sources which said otherwise - and all were accepted sites - not white supremacist sites.

    When you challenged me for more sources, I gave you at least four or five major works on slavery and even provided you with information on how to order them so you could learn more.

    You can attack me and my experience and my education in order to somehow someway try to elevate your own self in your estimation but it still leaves you with the same failed promises, the same lies, the same white supremacist sites as your sources and the same boasts, claims and allegations that you fail to support with anything that can be verified by reputable sources.

    In the end, you still are the number one apologist on this site for the South and the confederacy, for its institutions and its economic way of life, for its motivations and its actions. You still do go to extraordinary lengths including outright falsehoods to attempt to win an internet argument. You still rely on discredited white supremacist sources for your 'information' and you still utterly fail to back up your boasts, claims and allegations.

    None of that is a personal attack upon you. All of it is factual and directly speaking to your posts here. You may be the greatest truck driver in the nation for all I know. You may be one heck of a guy and would make a great friend. I do not know that.

    What I do know is that when it comes to this subject, your views have no credibility of any kind due to your own inability to support them and your own tactics that you employ to attempt to dishonestly win an internet dispute.
    No, this is purdy much a personal attack, right here. I understand that to save face, you're forced to retreat to such tactics, but it doesn't take away from the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Apdst, lets look at this calmly and factually. You are without a doubt the single most sympathetic apologist for the South, for their institutions and for their actions of any other single poster on this board. And you seem proud of this distinction and relish in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am sorry but I do not understand what you are attempting to convey with that remark.
    This is one of your post.
    that indeed makes you a defender of the South and its institutions and actions - slavery being one of them.
    Your telling people if you support something... you support everything they say which is not true. You support the one that has most of your interest at hand. You can disagree with one thing and still agree and support them for others. And overall you choose the one that supports most of your interest.
    Last edited by Free For All; 11-13-11 at 04:53 PM.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Maybe this is where you're getting mixed up. A symbol doesn't have like some right meaning and the other meanings are wrong. Symbols are tools for communication. They mean what people understand them to mean. So, you know that to a lot of people, probably most people, what the confederate flag means is slavery. Whether you think that is "right" or not has nothing to do with anything. If you use a symbol that you know communicates a pro-slavery message, you have to face up to what you're communicating.
    And with most symbols, different people have different understandings of their meanings. It's the whole freedom expression thing. Maybe you heard of that part of the Constitution?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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