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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Goshin on the confederate flag



    I agree. It makes it much easier to identify the enemy when they have already identified themselves.
    who is "the enemy" ?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    To educate people like yourself. If you have a problem with it, you're more than welcome to put me on ignore.
    Which seems to be your strategy. Take positions that are over the top and cannot be supported with verifiable facts and data. Take positions that are so far outside the mainstream that they border on willful fantasy fueled and motivated by extremism. Then dig in your heels and argue with people who take you to task and show you that there is no basis in fact for your extremist beliefs. Then crow how smart you are and how you "won the debate" when you actually got your butt kicked on it. Then when people keep telling you that you do not have a leg to stand on, you tell them to put you on IGNORE.

    That achieves your goal as you will then be able to spread your extremist nonsense without fear of being challenged by them.

    If you truly want to 'educate people' as you claim here, begin with actual verifiable information that speaks to the real historical record. Using extreme racist right wing sources written by murderers in prison and published on white supremacy websites and which can be verified no other places, is not educating anyone on the issues being discussed. Your usage of them however does indeed educate others here to your motivations, your extremist beliefs and your slipshod methods.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Umm.... really dude..? REALLY?

    Gotta be the most ignorant thing Ive read in a while....

    And we are all now less intelligent for having read it.
    You really don't get it do you? Reducing a discussion of slavery to the sanitized euphemism of PROPERTY RIGHTS is committing intellectual fraud and is inherently dishonest. People are human beings and not objects to be owned as property. My mentioning of reducing this to a discussion of WATER RIGHTS is a further sanitized euphemism to show how absurd the whole thing is. It is SUPPOSE TO SHOW THE IGNORANCE of the entire idea of refusing to discuss slavery as something than the most despicable treatment of our fellow human beings.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    who is "the enemy" ?
    Those who would justify slavery defending its use and defend treason committed against the USA. You cannot get more of an enemy than that.

    And I do not mean ENEMY in the sense that we declare war upon them and hunt them down. To know them for what they are and to brand them as such is enough.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This romanticized BS idea of 'we so does loves our darkies" is simply nonsense.
    You are right....

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
    "I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man."
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    If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. that simply means you won. It has nothing to do with the right to do what you did. I can sneak up behind you and knock you out with a ball bat to the back of the head. I win as you lie there in a pool of blood. I had no RIGHT to do that. I simply did it, won and then got away with it.

    For the life of me I will never understand the rightist libertarian fascination with the confederacy and the need to justify so much about it.
    speaking for myself, I am interested in the confederacy.

    now, i'm quite sure in the minds of simpletons that says that i'm a slavery apologist or a racist, or what have you... but that a problem in their brains , not mine.
    my opinions are not swayed my the yammerings of simpletons.

    I 100% oppose slavery and racism... but it does interest me that this country had, and still has, a ton of people who prefer tyranny over freedom.
    was the south wrong to adhere to the institution of slavery?.. absolutely... you can't preach freedom and liberty when you enslave people.
    was it wrong to secede?...I do not believe it was...I don't find it evil or bad to do so.... and I would be supportive of secession if it were to happen today, as i'm not a fan of tyranny.
    was the north wrong for initiating a war to keep the south in the union?.. I think so.... you can't preach freedom , liberty , and self determination when you enslave people.
    both the north and south had their own brands of slavery that they adhered to.. .southern slavery is dead, the kind that the north adhered to is alive and well.. and perpetual.

    I'm neither happy nor sad that the South lost and the union was kept, really... but I to tend to believe that it's right and proper for group of people to choose their own sovereign and have the ability and right to change if the need/want arises.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those who would justify slavery defending its use and defend treason committed against the USA. You cannot get more of an enemy than that.

    And I do not mean ENEMY in the sense that we declare war upon them and hunt them down. To know them for what they are and to brand them as such is enough.
    Who is defending its use?

    Because YOU view something a certain way, we all must?

    I guess this is the creation of the narcissistic society we live in.

    Everything must revolve around the opinions of the narcissistic individual.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Those who would justify slavery defending its use and defend treason committed against the USA. You cannot get more of an enemy than that.

    And I do not mean ENEMY in the sense that we declare war upon them and hunt them down. To know them for what they are and to brand them as such is enough.
    Show me one post in this thread that shows one person defending slavery.

    As for the treason charges, learn your history. No treason was committed during the secession. I've already given one link about the Constitutions history (post 296) and have explained what happened in numerous other posts. Indeed me and teamosil have been having a delightful conversation about the whole thing.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You really don't get it do you? Reducing a discussion of slavery to the sanitized euphemism of PROPERTY RIGHTS is committing intellectual fraud and is inherently dishonest.
    Trying to view the decision making process of people in 1860 with the current sociological views of 2011 is committing intellectual fraud and dishonesty, sir.

    People are human beings and not objects to be owned as property.
    And that is the common belief today, the same cannot be said of 1860, which is when the events surrounding this debate took place.

    My mentioning of reducing this to a discussion of WATER RIGHTS is a further sanitized euphemism to show how absurd the whole thing is. It is SUPPOSE TO SHOW THE IGNORANCE of the entire idea of refusing to discuss slavery as something than the most despicable treatment of our fellow human beings.
    Oh it definitely showed ignorance all right. Just not the type you were aiming for.

    Got that?
    Yep, 100%. Your attempt to show some type of ignorance backfired, and you can't debate a historical concept without using modern concepts of social equality not believed in the time period you are attempting to debate.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Show me one post in this thread that shows one person defending slavery.

    As for the treason charges, learn your history. No treason was committed during the secession. I've already given one link about the Constitutions history (post 296) and have explained what happened in numerous other posts. Indeed me and teamosil have been having a delightful conversation about the whole thing.
    Treason is defined by the victors in a civil conflict. Going against the state with violence is treason. What the South did was treason against the United States of America. That the US did not per sue this course of action against the people of the South is another matter.
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