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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It is propaganda.
    Just like the American Declaration of Independence.

    It is meant to continue to draw support, for "the cause."

    The South saw that their political power was decreasing, especially with the election of a 3rd party (Republicans).
    But the flag is not? The flag is just as much a part of the propaganda, prescribed to get people on board and feeling national pride - something they can identify with. Either way, I have shown that the cause that southerners were fighting for was their rights, and specifically their right to hold slaves, have slaves returned to them, and the offense that they can not have slaves in new territories. I am sorry if that bursts your bubble and your view on what the south was fighting for, but it is in ink and there is not much you can do to change it.

    Ergo, that flag is representation of the fight the secession and the ensuing war - which all occurred due to attempted abolishment of slavery. Without the abolishment of slavery and attempts to do so, there is no secession.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    But the flag is not? The flag is just as much a part of the propaganda, prescribed to get people on board and feeling national pride - something they can identify with. Either way, I have shown that the cause that southerners were fighting for was their rights, and specifically their right to hold slaves, have slaves returned to them, and the offense that they can not have slaves in new territories. I am sorry if that bursts your bubble and your view on what the south was fighting for, but it is in ink and there is not much you can do to change it.
    Of course it is.
    I have laid it out pretty darn thick with the use of words like, iconography, that the new flags were part and parcel of the propaganda of the new state.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It was also flown by Confederate army units, during the Civil War.

    Allow me to help you.

    You don't get to omit the facts that you don't like, then claim to be better than everyone else.
    I don't really understand how you think you are "helping" me... I laid out all the facts way back. You're just kind of half-catching up now.

    Are you contending that Somalia copied the flag from Florida? You know that is crazy talk, right? Did you have any evidence supporting that outlandish proposition? Do you think these flags are copies of the blue bonnie too?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't really understand how you think you are "helping" me... I laid out all the facts way back. You're just kind of half-catching up now.

    Are you contending that Somalia copied the flag from Florida? You know that is crazy talk, right? Did you have any evidence supporting that outlandish proposition? Do you think these flags are copies of the blue bonnie too?

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    Wrong colors. But, I'm sure you already figgered that out. Maybe you haven't...LOL!!!
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wrong colors. But, I'm sure you already figgered that out. Maybe you haven't...LOL!!!
    Anyways... Are you really contending that Somalia copied the flag from Florida? Or what are we debating about here?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Naw man it's cool. It's not revisionist nonsense you just whine to much about nothing. It shouldn't be about the American flag ever, but if people want to take what it stood for and make it stand for something totally different that shows their independence then fine. I'm sure Buddhist would like to use the swastika again without being called a Nazi as well.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nonsense. The 13 colonies declared their independence as a single entity so at no point before OR after creation of this country did they see themselves as individuals in any sense of the word. Do you not realize this yet? That there is no point in the history of the 13 colonies where any of them could have seen themselves or even acted as sovereign states? If so show me how?
    Are you familiar with the Articles of Confederation?
    Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
    What do you imagine they meant when they said, "Each state retains its sovereignty?"

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Are you familiar with the Articles of Confederation?


    What do you imagine they meant when they said, "Each state retains its sovereignty?"
    I learned this kind of stuff in highschool. Makes you wonder what they are teaching people now adays.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Are you familiar with the Articles of Confederation?

    What do you imagine they meant when they said, "Each state retains its sovereignty?"
    Yeah, that's right. The articles of confederation pre-dated the constitution and had an extremely weak federal government, very strong state power. But, it failed. That's why they wrote the constitution- because they needed to vest much more power in the federal government and much less in the states.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    I don't fly the confederate flag, but it is a symbol of rebellion. How is that different than OWS, the Don't Tread On Me flag, etc? I think most people's objections are the racial connotations, but that is more of a cultural thing. I've found that northerners consider it racist while southerners consider it to be more of a rebellion symbol against large central (northern) government. The American flag is a flag of rebellion and personal freedom as well.
    I am a southerner and consider it a symbol of hate and racism. I do understand why others around here do not agree with me though
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