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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nonsense. The 13 colonies declared their independence as a single entity so at no point before OR after creation of this country did they see themselves as individuals in any sense of the word. Do you not realize this yet? That there is no point in the history of the 13 colonies where any of them could have seen themselves or even acted as sovereign states? If so show me how? Where do they develop this sense of individualism? Under British control? Impossible. In the 8 years of war? Highly unlikely. So where and under which conditions do these "sovereign" states begin to see themselves as sovereigns? There is absolutely no point in even trying to come up with an answer because there simply isn't one.
    The 13 colonies declared their independence as a union of states...oh, wait...did I just say, union?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The 13 colonies declared their independence as a union of states...oh, wait...did I just say, union?
    The very name given to our 50 states implies that they were meant to have some significant degree of self governance.
    Otherwise they'd of been called the 50 territories, the 50 provinces, etc.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hence the reason the Confederate states seceded.
    Yes and committed treason as they tried to carve out FEDERAL territory that did not belong to them.

    They no longer wanted to be subservient to the laws that were being forced upon them;
    Like that pesky one involving slavery.

    also the reason that New England planned to secede in 1804
    No. It did not. Secession was discussed, hardly a "plan" as nothing came out of it. Ever.

    and New Hampshire created a secession plan in 2009. How come no one is jacked up about the New Hampshire secession bill?
    Maybe it's because nobody cares about your dumb little factoids that only seem to be relevant in that bizarro world you live in.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The 13 colonies declared their independence as a union of states...oh, wait...did I just say, union?
    Yes a union of partially self governing states under a federal government. Your irrelevant ass just described what a federal state, which is what we are to this day, is.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep, we've already established that slavery was one of the reasons, but the primary reason is to establish their own political sphere, apart from that of the north.
    All the puffery and fluff of "official declarations" is propaganda.
    You consider using the actual words of the groups that seceded to be propaganda? Really? Sorry, Harry, but I'd say you're the one using propaganda considering you are putting your own words in their mouths. I quoted them directly (and almost every word was related to slavery), you have done nothing of the such.

    *Edit: Please, Harry, tell me you were joking that you said I was using propaganda by quoting the actual people.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nonsense. The 13 colonies declared their independence as a single entity so at no point before OR after creation of this country did they see themselves as individuals in any sense of the word. Do you not realize this yet? That there is no point in the history of the 13 colonies where any of them could have seen themselves or even acted as sovereign states? If so show me how? Where do they develop this sense of individualism? Under British control? Impossible. In the 8 years of war? Highly unlikely. So where and under which conditions do these "sovereign" states begin to see themselves as sovereigns? There is absolutely no point in even trying to come up with an answer because there simply isn't one.
    Wrong. I'd suggest reading this....

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes a union of partially self governing states under a federal government. Your irrelevant ass just described what a federal state, which is what we are to this day, is.
    You can't let his lack of logic get to you. Apdst is famous on this board for his inability to understand even the most rudimentary of concepts. When you debate him, do what I do, consider it a pleasure to be talking with someone who makes you look so smart and enjoy the comic relief you get from the responses.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes and committed treason as they tried to carve out FEDERAL territory that did not belong to them.
    No, it was state territory, actually. The Comfederacy didn't attempt to go after territories that weren't already states. You do know the difference, yes?



    Like that pesky one involving slavery.
    Or, in reality, "property rights".



    No. It did not. Secession was discussed, hardly a "plan" as nothing came out of it. Ever.
    Ever hear of sedition? I'm thinking you haven't.



    Maybe it's because nobody cares about your dumb little factoids that only seem to be relevant in that bizarro world you live in.
    Especially when they prove you're wrong. Yes?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes a union of partially self governing states under a federal government. Your irrelevant ass just described what a federal state, which is what we are to this day, is.
    But, still a union of states and not an entity, as you suggested earlier.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You consider using the actual words of the groups that seceded to be propaganda? Really? Sorry, Harry, but I'd say you're the one using propaganda considering you are putting your own words in their mouths. I quoted them directly (and almost every word was related to slavery), you have done nothing of the such.

    *Edit: Please, Harry, tell me you were joking that you said I was using propaganda by quoting the actual people.
    It is propaganda.
    Just like the American Declaration of Independence.

    It is meant to continue to draw support, for "the cause."

    The South saw that their political power was decreasing, especially with the election of a 3rd party (Republicans).
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