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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Irrelevant to the statement.
    Then your statement is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about treason against the United States. Saying the founding fathers were traitors says nothing to contradict the point of this thread or Paschendale's point which you were responding to.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The US Flag is a flag of treason as much as the Confederate flag. The single biggest difference is that the United States won their treasonous war, and the Confederate States lost theirs.
    That's a very good point. And that biggest difference, it's a pretty big difference. If the US had lost the war, the founders would have been executed as traitors. They had no doubt about that. Winning makes you a patriot, losing makes you a traitor.

    But let's consider. Suppose the US lost, and thirty years later, people were still waving American flags around in the colonies. Don't you think those people would have been seen as traitors to the British? Wouldn't it look pretty weird if those people were waving those flags but still claiming to be patriotic Brits?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    People use symbols to represent things. The Confederate flag is a symbol that was used to represent people who longer wanted to be a part of the United States. The irony of flying the flag of people who did not want to be a part of the United States as a symbol of patriotism within the United States is not difficult to see.
    The key word in that whole post is "was."
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Isn't that funny? I've never-ever thought of support of the Confederate Flag as an historic symbol being a left/right thing. I'm surprised you think that...never heard it before. I guess I don't look at the Civil War as being treason. In the least. I look at it as states deciding to exert their states' rights and wanting to start their own union. I'm not sure I could ever think of seccession as treason. It's not the same thing.
    treason: a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state

    Treason | Define Treason at Dictionary.com

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The key word in that whole post is "was."
    Not really. The history remains the same and people who fly the flag today fly the flag of those who did not want to be a part of this country.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Then your statement is irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about treason against the United States. Saying the founding fathers were traitors says nothing to contradict the point of this thread or Paschendale's point which you were responding to.
    Ummm... no. This thread is not about "treason against the United States." It is about how YOU see the confederate battle flag as representing treason against the US. The only real difference between that and how this country was formed is who won.

    The founding father were traitors to the British Crown. You can't ignore history because you want to put blinders on.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Not really. The history remains the same and people who fly the flag today fly the flag of those who did not want to be a part of this country.
    So now you speak for everyone?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    treason: a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state

    Treason | Define Treason at Dictionary.com
    Why are you looking up treason?

    Secession: (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity.

    Secession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    How is the US Flag a flag of treason? If you're talking about it being a treasonous flag relative to the British Empire, then that treason is not an example of the contradiction that I am pointing out in this thread. The US flag represents the United States and consequently flying it in the United States makes sense. However, the Confederate flag represents those who did not want to belong to the United States.

    The biggest difference between the US flag and the Confederate flag is not the one lost and the other won - it's the one belongs to those who want to belong to this country and the only belongs to those who do not.

    Totally missing the point.

    The United States was a colony of Great Britain. We rebelled against British rule. By Brit law, this was treason... therefore by Brit law the Founders were traitors and the US Flag was a flag of treason. How many of those who signed the Declaration were hung or shot for treason? Several, IIRC. The US had no legal basis for trying to throw off Brit rule and become its own country.

    The Confederate States did much the same. They felt their interests were not being represented properly in Congress and with the Fedgov. Various political maneuvers were tried, including Nullification. Congress passed many laws that benefited the big industrial concerns and big shipping magnates of the Northeast, to the detriment of the agricultural South that needed to export and import freely to maintain its economy. The leaders of the South found themselves in what they felt was an untenable situation, dominated by a central government that was strangling their trade, and they rebelled.

    They lost.

    Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a Southerner, but I'm a patriot. I'm glad that America remains one nation. I'm glad slavery was ended (slavery was not the primary cause of the war, however; just one factor). The average Southern footsoldier did not own any slaves and most considered the war about State's Rights. However I think we swapped one set of evils for another: an overweeningly powerful Fedgov, whose power over the States has grown FAR beyond anything the Founders intended.

    I consider the Confederate Battle Flag to be a reminder of all these things, as well as a source of pride that the South fought (for State sovereignty) for four years against an enemy that had them drastically outnumbered and outgunned.

    I personally don't fly it, because I am aware that many black folks see it as a symbol of racism and I do not wish to be misunderstood, as I am not at all racist. However, the Confederate flag flies over the Confederate War Memorial on the Capitol grounds not far from the Statehouse in my state (SC).... and I consider that a perfectly appropriate place for it, as a reminder of that war, and what was won, and lost, in it.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why are you looking up treason?

    Secession: (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity.

    Secession - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Actively trying to destroy the USA as it is legally constituted is indeed an act of treason.
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