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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So.... the.... ****.... what? The Constitution isn't by any stretch of the imagination the only document which should be looked at on political matters.
    I'm not sure I'm picking up what you're laying down. Can you rephrase in English?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    No, I don't know the difference. What is it?
    The word sovereign is the key difference. A confederation establishes that the states joining are SOVEREIGN whereas a federation makes it clear that the members are partially self-governing & subservient to a federal government. This is political science 101.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 11-12-11 at 11:23 PM.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I'm not sure I'm picking up what you're laying down. Can you rephrase in English?
    What he's saying, is that when a document doesn't support your agenda, it should be used as toilet paper and, when it does support your agenda, it's suddenly the law of the land.

    Notice how we need to look at other documents, aside from the Constitution, when addressing secession, but the Constitution is the law of the land when we're talking about gay marriage and abortion?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Prove it... (again) lol.
    Please do, it's not like he answered it the first time.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What he's saying, is that when a document doesn't support your agenda, it should be used as toilet paper and, when it does support your agenda, it's suddenly the law of the land.

    Notice how we need to look at other documents, aside from the Constitution, when addressing secession, but the Constitution is the law of the land when we're talking about gay marriage and abortion?
    Apdst win the award for dumbest red herring, strawman and overall nonsensical argument on the forum. Congratulations apdst. Come on up and claim your prize. It's a Somali flag NOT inspired by some obscure flag flying in your backyard.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The word sovereign is the key difference. A confederation establishes that the states joining are SOVEREIGN whereas a federation makes it clear that the members are partially self-governing & subservient to a federal government. This is political science 101.
    The states prior to their entry into the union were sovereign nation states. Thus, by your definition, our union is a confederation.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The word sovereign is the key difference. A confederation establishes that the states joining are SOVEREIGN whereas a federation makes it clear that the members are partially self-governing & subservient to a federal government. This is political science 101.
    Hence the reason the Confederate states seceded. They no longer wanted to be subservient to the laws that were being forced upon them; also the reason that New England planned to secede in 1804 and New Hampshire created a secession plan in 2009. How come no one is jacked up about the New Hampshire secession bill?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What he's saying, is that when a document doesn't support your agenda, it should be used as toilet paper and, when it does support your agenda, it's suddenly the law of the land.

    Notice how we need to look at other documents, aside from the Constitution, when addressing secession, but the Constitution is the law of the land when we're talking about gay marriage and abortion?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    All apologies, it appears I killed this thread with the introduction of facts and logic.
    Yep, we've already established that slavery was one of the reasons, but the primary reason is to establish their own political sphere, apart from that of the north.
    All the puffery and fluff of "official declarations" is propaganda.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    The states prior to their entry into the union were sovereign nation states.
    Nonsense. The 13 colonies declared their independence as a single entity so at no point before OR after creation of this country did they see themselves as individuals in any sense of the word. Do you not realize this yet? That there is no point in the history of the 13 colonies where any of them could have seen themselves or even acted as sovereign states? If so show me how? Where do they develop this sense of individualism? Under British control? Impossible. In the 8 years of war? Highly unlikely. So where and under which conditions do these "sovereign" states begin to see themselves as sovereigns? There is absolutely no point in even trying to come up with an answer because there simply isn't one.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 11-12-11 at 11:39 PM.
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