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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Would it do any good to try and talk you off that particular ledge?
    Ha! No, I've pretty much solidified my position on this.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This sums up your entire contribution to this thread.
    Like I said... poor reading comprehension. Can't help you with that little buddy.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Ha! No, I've pretty much solidified my position on this.
    When you finally acknowldge this:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059980103

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    The Confederate Flag is simply a symbol of the South... of Dixie. It is about being proud of that fact.

    Don't make more of it is than it actually is... we have enough real problems in the world without manufacturing them.

    Originally Posted by theplaydrive
    Oh I see, so only Southerners can have a valid opinion of the Confederate Flag. I think not.

    It's a symbol of treason, slavery and racism in addition to a symbol of people's history, states' rights and whatever else.

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    I am not a Southerner. I have no idea why you would say that nor imply that only Southerners could have a valid opinion.

    What is the Swastica to you then? I understand that you are probably not a Nazi, but I would still like to hear it.

    Originally Posted by theplaydrive
    I never said you were.
    I wouldn't say or imply that. You would and you did.
    And then we get this out of the blue to another poster:

    Originally Posted by theplaydrive
    I love that people are liking your post after you've blatantly lied about other posters and made a blatantly false claim and cowered away after being called out for it. Add LaMidRighter and Bodhisattva to the list of people who shouldn't be taken seriously.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Moderator's Warning:
    Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?Bodi. Stop. Now.
    Is this like the "get penlized for being the one caught reacting" in football incidents? Fine then...
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is the only part I was claiming you agree with. Sorry if it came across otherwise.


    I don't think American slavery started the "race" thing. I think the race thing already started before American slavery and the fact that Europeans fashioned themselves superior to many different types of people is part of the reason why I've taken that position. They enslaved the Slavs because they thought they were inferior and they enslaved Native Americans and others because they thought those groups were inferior. Europeans/Americans (mostly) enslaved people from populations that they perceived as inferior to their own - Africans were one of those groups. This assumption of inferiority was a part who Americans chose to enslave - sometimes the assumption was based solely on religion, sometimes on culture, sometimes on race and with Africans, on a combination of all three.
    Well... I have to ask then....

    Why didn't the whites just enslave those Africans who were selling off other Africans rather than paying them then....

    Surely I would not pay someone for something if they were so inferior that I could take it from then
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're forgetting about acclimation and the African resistance to malaria and yellow fever, that white Europeans didn't have.
    That's two genes. Out of what, tens of thousands?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    This is an interesting comment. Aren't there fundamental biological differences? Skin. Hair. Eye color and shape. Size???

    Then we get into why Mexicans and Kenyans win all the marathons. Why? Could it be that as a race they are more used to distance and heat? I don't know but I would not call talking about it or wondering about it racism.
    Genetically speaking, these are very small differences. About as much as the different cat coats. Why? Because at any given time, they're only a generation or two from being diluted into a much larger gene pool. And don't forget about the nature vs. nurture debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You are so clueless about slavery.
    The main reason for keeping the south in it was an AGRICULTURE BASED ECONOMY. Even today, Agriculture finds the dirt cheapest illegal immigrant labor to do its work. The north didn't have an agriculture based economy. The folks in the north were still about equally as racist as those in the south.
    First of all, calm down. Your words come across as the product of someone who prefers bullying and power instead of logic and reason to get his points across. In case you haven't noticed by now, I don't play that game.

    Second, though the relationship between race and slavery was complex during the early years, once it got rolling, the link between the two was unmistakable. If you deny that, then you need to review some of the pseudoscientific, political, and literature of the day that blatantly defended racism, which was needed to justify the cruelty of slavery.

    Yes, there is. However, its not how they thought ONE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO. You have to view this in historical perspective. You can't apply modern moral principles to history spanning over a century and a half ago.
    You're putting yourself on a rather high pedestal here. Why am I supposed to believe that you somehow have the correct perspective on history?

    OMFG You still don't get it.
    Come on, man. Learn to debate, eh? Critique my argument, concede it, or just plain ignore it. You have all of those options at your disposal.

    Dude... It doesn't matter WHO bought them. They were up for sale by the conquering tribe. Which means if they were bought by whites, they surely would have been bought by the Arab nations who were ALSO involved in slave purchases.
    Again, we're talking about two different things. You're talking about what got the slave industry started, I'm talking about what kept it going. We're debating apples and oranges here.

    Hard to imagine an industrial economy that didn't have the need for MANY hands in hard conditions outlawed slavery while the agricultural economy that DID (and still does) have the need for many hands, working hard conditions, and doing it cheap as to maximize profits (and at the same time keep the costs of their products low) would need to keep slavery around.

    Simple economics.
    Again, you unintentionally post a scathing critique of unmitigated capitalism. There are these things called morals, you know, and unrestrained capitalism shatters them. But all people, I believe, have at least some standard of decency, a standard that would have caused Southerners to call their "peculiar institution" into great question. Racism was the vehicle that silenced those questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Oh no! I am racist against, myself!!!!
    Honest question--does this mean you're black?

    You have got to be kidding me. You know what I mean and I don't care as "a rose by any other name."
    Wait, you're denying that race is a social construct?

    What the hell does "subspecies" and our "similarities" have to do with my statements? Nothing. The "Negro" has genetic differences from the "Caucasoid" and the "Mongoloid" "ethnicity." <--- Oh LMAO! PC gone mad.
    Calm down, Glenn Beck. Genetic differences between human ethnicities are incredibly small.

    This again has nothing to do with slavery or African genetics in the 1860's. It has nothing to do with the fact we were physically able to withstand the long hours in the field better than your average Native American, Asian or European. Which in the end contributed to blacks being in bondage whether you (in a PC tizzy) care to accept the truth or not.
    Even if this dubious claim were true, are you seriously suggesting that this even partially justified slavery?

    So far you got nothing man. A lot of hot air backed up by unimportant fallacy arguments that do not apply.

    Need to up your game man.
    Yep, the old classic tactic: If you're run out of logical points to make, engage in flaming instead. Right back at you.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Honest question--does this mean you're black?
    I don't know? I am beginning to suspect though.

    Yea I am man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Wait, you're denying that race is a social construct?
    Yea that is exactly what I am doing. Has nothing to do with the PC of "ethnicity."

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Calm down, Glenn Beck. Genetic differences between human ethnicities are incredibly small.
    So what? The genetic differences between humans and Apes is small but it makes a HUGE difference. We are physically different, ignoring it will not make it go away.

    Again this has nothing to do with my argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Even if this dubious claim were true, are you seriously suggesting that this even partially justified slavery?
    Yes that is exactly what I am doing, I am justifying slavery. You found me out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Yep, the old classic tactic: If you're run out of logical points to make, engage in flaming instead. Right back at you.
    Again your post is nothing but fallacy arguments that have little or nothing to do with my statements or my point.

    The fact you think this is flaming someone...

    So far you got nothing man. A lot of hot air backed up by unimportant fallacy arguments that do not apply.

    Need to up your game man
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Well... I have to ask then....

    Why didn't the whites just enslave those Africans who were selling off other Africans rather than paying them then....

    Surely I would not pay someone for something if they were so inferior that I could take it from then
    This is different argument from the one I'm making. Also, you seem to be suggesting that some traders didn't think Africans were inferior. This is just factually incorrect.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    white racists believed Africans were genetically and culturally inferior, but made a fine source for manual labor. Just like mules and donkeys.

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