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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wait! Now you are complaining about personal attacks?
    As I have just posted... this is EXACTLY what he did to me in the first place. Actually, this might be the third time. What a hypocritical whiner... Pathetic.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Let me put it this way: If the people who lived in Africa had been white, Christians who dressed like Europeans/Americans and had similar cultures as them BUT who also had the physical ability and cheap selling price, then I don't believe they would have been enslaved. I believe that Europeans and Americans would not have enslaved people so similar to them even if they were relatively cheap and had the right physical ability.
    See, that's where your getting disconnected.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Because I didn't see it.

    And now I'm not going to answer it because it ends with a personal attack. Oh well.
    Suuure, and the fact that it shoots holes in your logic is not the real reason.

    Well done sir!
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think you're having trouble understanding why I'm right, because you don't even know what I said. I never said that progressives were the firs to try and make blacks a permanent under class.

    I said they were the first to create an entire movement around the idea, for the political clout that they could gain from it and that creating that permanent under-class and eventua sub-culture didn't start in earnest, before the coming of the Libbos/Progressos.

    Now, you have my permission to bask in my radiance for as long as you like!
    This is ridiculous. This kind of third grade behavior is beyond contempt in a forum that is supposed to be about intellectual exchange.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is ridiculous. This kind of third grade behavior is beyond contempt in a forum that is supposed to be about intellectual exchange.
    You better leave, now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Actually, apstd is always on the stupid lists and such in the Basement and I have found him refreshingly not stupid. In fact, he makes some very good points. I am not sure that I have ever debated with him or really read much of him in the 2 years that he has been here.
    Please go back and reread the last few pages with his posts. Everything will be crystal clear.

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    You're trying to say that white people one day up and said, "I hate niggers. Let's go to Africa and make'em slaves", and that notion is bull****.
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    But, I still believe that the actual movement to make blacks a permanent under-class was started by the Progressives, when they saw the political power to be gained.
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    Those of us with a significant amount of common sense understand this without having to see any evidence.
    the penultimate 1595

    Facts? No. That crap? Oh hell-to-the-yeah!
    1605 - who could forget

    The color of their skin was nothing more than coindence.
    the not so very quaint childhood regression of 1620

    Shhhhh! The grown-ups are talking!
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please go back and reread the last few pages with his posts. Everything will be crystal clear.

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    I haven't read the debate between you guys... but with regards to TPD he has been pretty much on. Not worried either way...
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I haven't read the debate between you guys... but with regards to TPD he has been pretty much on. Not worried either way...
    Not knowing what you meant, I googled TPD and came up with Total and Permanent Disablity. Is that what you were referring to?


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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not knowing what you meant, I googled TPD and came up with Total and Permanent Disablity. Is that what you were referring to?
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Were Africans enslaved because they were thought to be inferior?

    In colonial America, Africans weren't enslaved because they were thought to be inferior. On the contrary, they were valued for their skill as farmers and desired for their labor. Planters had previously tried enslaving Native Americans, but many escaped and hid among neighboring tribes or were stricken by diseases brought to the New World by Europeans.

    In the early years of the colonies, the majority of workers were poor indentured servants from England. In fact, during Virginia's first century, 100,000 of the 130,000 Englishmen who crossed the Atlantic were indentured servants. Conditions of servitude were miserable, and nearly two thirds died before their term of indenture ended. After several decades, African slaves began arriving in the U.S. and worked side by side with indentured servants.

    Many played together, intermarried, and ran away together. Racial categories were fluid, and slavery was not yet codified into law.

    In the mid-17th century, a crisis arose in the colonies. As economic conditions in Mother England improved, the number of volunteers willing to journey across the Atlantic to endure such harsh treatment dropped dramatically, causing a labor shortage. At the same time, tension and hostilities were mounting domestically, as more servants were surviving their indenture and demanding land from the planter elite. The entire plantation labor system and colonial social hierarchy was threatened; the situation came to a head when poor servants and slaves allied and attacked the elite classes during Bacon's Rebellion.

    After the system of indentured servitude proved unstable, planters turned increasingly to African slavery and began writing laws to divide Blacks from whites. Coincidentally, African slaves became more available at this time. Poor whites were given new entitlements and opportunities, including as overseers to police the slave population. Over time, they began to identify more with wealthy whites, and the degradation of slavery became identified more and more with Blackness.


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    Which interestingly has been ignored..........
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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