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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

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    You are the king of irrelevant points. And Bodhisattva is the king of liking them.
    You're the king of ignoring the facts, because they muck up yout argument.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Slaves weren't cheap. Hey were expensive as hell. A field hand could cost anywhere from $1,500-$2,000. That's why many in the North didn't own slaves, it wasn't cost effective and the Irish immigrants arriving by the boatload were cheaper.
    Another unrelated and irrelevant point. Bodi liked it again and we can now add Caine to the list of unrelated/irrelevant point likers.

    The entire point that Caine and others have been making is that African slaves were cheap labor relative to other potential slaves and other types of labor. I responded to that by agreeing with their take on the cheapness of slaves within that context. It's funny you didn't respond to them with this point. You, Caine and Bodi's biases are really showing.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and how is that? The Klan was real. Their criminal actions were real. the people they killed, multilated and tortured were real. Their legacy of hate was real.

    I can see how an apologist of racial hatred would not like them being introduced into the discussion.

    Sadly for you the historical record says otherwise
    When did I say otherwise? Which is why I'm wondering why you're even going down that road.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're the king of ignoring the facts, because they muck up yout argument.
    Remember that time you said that Episcopalian flag had something to do with the Confederacy and then I pointed out the fact that it was created in 1918 and had nothing to do the Confederacy and then you ignored that fact and said something stupid. That's what you do in every thread for every topic which is why it's so fun to "debate" with you and why anybody who likes your silly posts ends up on the "not serious" list.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Another unrelated and irrelevant point. Bodi liked it again and we can now add Caine to the list of unrelated/irrelevant point likers.

    The entire point that Caine and others have been making is that African slaves were cheap labor relative to other potential slaves and other types of labor. I responded to that by agreeing with their take on the cheapness of slaves within that context. It's funny you didn't respond to them with this point. You, Caine and Bodi's biases are really showing.
    I think it had more to do with the fitness of africans to perform the labor in that climate, than anything else. But, when you consider that africans probably stayed healthy under those conditions, where other peoples may not, then it's not hard to believe that africans were a cheaper route.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Remember that time you said that Episcopalian flag had something to do with the Confederacy and then I pointed out the fact that it was created in 1918 and had nothing to do the Confederacy and then you ignored that fact and said something stupid. That's what you do in every thread for every topic which is why it's so fun to "debate" with you and why anybody who likes your silly posts ends up on the "not serious" list.
    Does that include you?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Did you even read my post? I got it aka said it several days before you even posted in this thread. I can still see that you aren't fully grasping how much of this thread has flown over your head.
    Then why did you bother debating such a simple point? I backed up Caines point and I didn't see you debating him over it. Yet, you debated me for the same exact point and then further compounded your error when I repeatedly restated my point and then the ultimate folly of see you finally agree to my point. The point of our debate was that you debated me on a simple concept. I was not debating anything else. You have fabricated some imaginary argument in your head that you thought we were debating when we weren't. The folly of all this is your inability to recognize the simplicity of a minor point. This doesn't bode well for any debates that you might engage in that are more subtle... and I will keep this in mind if I ever decide to debate you again. Jeez... what a ****ing waste of time.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it had more to do with the fitness of africans to perform the labor in that climate, than anything else. But, when you consider that africans probably stayed healthy under those conditions, where other peoples may not, then it's not hard to believe that africans were a cheaper route.
    Now this is an honest answer I can respond to. I agree that fitness was probably the largest factor. It's an obvious trait that many Africans had that made them more able to perform the labor than many other potential slaves. But then at the same time, the location made it very easy to bring slaves over to America, so that's another factor. There were other factors as well and I include race among them because documents from that era show white speaking about the inferiority of Africans. If you don't include race, then we'll just have to disagree, but I still do in addition to the other factors like money, location and physical ability.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does that include you?
    Touche'. That's pretty embarrassing for me.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Remember that time you said that Episcopalian flag had something to do with the Confederacy and then I pointed out the fact that it was created in 1918 and had nothing to do the Confederacy and then you ignored that fact and said something stupid. That's what you do in every thread for every topic which is why it's so fun to "debate" with you and why anybody who likes your silly posts ends up on the "not serious" list.
    Actually, apstd is always on the stupid lists and such in the Basement and I have found him refreshingly not stupid. In fact, he makes some very good points. I am not sure that I have ever debated with him or really read much of him in the 2 years that he has been here.
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