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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Way to big a conspiracy theory for it to even be plausible, but hey that's my story and I am sticking to it.
    I don't think it was a consiracy, but more like something that started out small and snowballed from there, growing into the modern day civil rights industry.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Uh, yeah, religion has something to do with it. The non-Christianity of blacks was one of the reasons they, as a "race", were considered inferior.
    OMG!!

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't agree. I'm of the opinion that the effort to make blacks a permanent under-class in America didn't start until the NAACP was formed.
    So we are suppose to believe that slavery had nothing to do with making African Americans a permanent under class.

    And once that bitter pill is swallowed we are then suppose to believe that Jim Crow which resulted from the withdrawal of troops from the south after the corrupt bargain of the Hayes-Tilden election had nothing to do with that either.

    And if you can stomach all that then we are really suppose to suspend disbelief and accept that Plessey v. Ferguson had nothing to do with that either.

    And if you can absorb all that nonsense and still retain doubt, then the terrorism of the Ku Klux Klan had nothing to do with keeping African Americans as a permanent under class either.

    Good thing the historical record is there to show all those things for what they are.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You both keep trying to either take race completely out the equation or say that race only entered the equation later. This just isn't true. Africans were being called savages, inferior and many other derogatory names since the beginning of the slave trade. The main theories of science during the entire history of slavery were about the inferiority of blacks/Africans. Obviously factors other than race were a part of the story, but race was always a part of it and it increased over time.
    It was used as a justification, but nobody ever said "Hey, black people are inferior, let's enslave them."

    They got their slaves where they were available, and then justified it.


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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those of us with a significant amount of common sense understand this without having to see any evidence.
    Sure thing .... "common sense" is what you all claim when you have no evidence to use. ANd shortly after the "common sense" card is played and is showed to be utter nonsense, out will come the "logic" card as sure as a bad case of diarrhea follows a bad burrito. And then when even that swirls down the toilet, it will be the tried and trite "its common knowledge".

    Amazing. Or it would be in an actual debate. Here its just more of what is expected since we have seen these lame tactics again and again and again when the actual historical records leaves you blind in a dark room.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG!!

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    Is there a reason why you always find facts so funny?

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post

    They got their slaves where they were available, and then justified it.
    Exactly.

    Cheap Labor was their motivator.... not racial hatred.....

    Just like in today's agriculture.... Cheap labor just happens to be provided by Latin American Hispanics willing to work for dirt cheap. It almost hast to be like this.

    Could you imagine if farm labor was paid 15-20 bucks an hour?

    The cost of food would skyrocket, and people would bitch about starving.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    And the point still went over your head. You should be super embarrassed right now. Like I said, several people have made the same point and it's already been handled and dealt with several times by several posters. Look for the answers to your nonsense with the search function. Hint 2: This thread is about the Confederate Flag as it pertains to the current United States.
    Dude you are ridiculous. That was my ****ing intitial point... as it pertains to the current United States. That is NOT the current debate though as brought up by Caine. That is about the comparison between the two flags.

    You won't even stick to the point about your own comments. When shown to be ridiculous you change the topic. Dealing with you further? Waste of time.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It was used as a justification, but nobody ever said "Hey, black people are inferior, let's enslave them."

    They got their slaves where they were available, and then justified it.
    Meh, I disagree. I've learned that it was more like "Hey, Africans are cheap, inferior, conveniently located and physically able to handle the labor, let's enslave them". You and Caine are trying to reduce slavery and it's start to money alone and that simplification is wrong.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Meh, I disagree. I've learned that it was more like "Hey, Africans are cheap, inferior, conveniently located and physically able to handle the labor, let's enslave them". You and Caine are trying to reduce slavery and it's start to money alone and that simplification is wrong.
    Slavery WAS about money.

    Cheap labor maximizes profits.

    The cheaper the labor, the higher the profits.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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