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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I disagree with that.

    Im pretty certain that everyone from the President down in American in the 1860s (Yes. I mean the great and noble and widely respected Abraham Lincoln... who was still a racist) didn't view, or desire to view blacks with the same level of equal treatment as whites.... not yet..
    I think you're taking a different fork in the road, now, because Lincoln not only didn't like blacks, he didn't even want them to stay in the country. The last thing he wanted was a bunch of free blacks running lose.

    You're right, though, Lincoln, along with Grant and Sherman were racist as hell. Not only that, Grant was a Jew hatin' SOB.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So were Native Americans.
    In these days... anyone without a religious belief in god was considered a savage....... You'll have to do better than this.

    Im sure you have some proof of this... lol..
    And, the indians believed Europeans were too weak to survive in North America.

    There's a feeling of superiority in every culture.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't agree. I think it started long before that. I think old honest Abe can explain it....

    "I will say, then, that I am not nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races---that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race." - Abraham Lincoln
    Touche'

    But, I still believe that the actual movement to make blacks a permanent under-class was started by the Progressives, when they saw the political power to be gained.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is the one point where I disagree. I think it was based on racism. Some were free, but without equal rights how can it be anything other than racism? It is based on racism. Abe's comments are crystal clear, he was a racist product of his time.
    Not allowing them to have full and equal rights even as "free" men was definitely based upon racism.

    Being slaves.... not so much.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because of culture, not because of race.
    What baloney. And you say this and then depart without offering any evidence to support your claim.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, the indians believed Europeans were too weak to survive in North America.

    There's a feeling of superiority in every culture.
    Of course there is.

    It still exists today in many parts of the world.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What baloney. And you say this and then depart without offering any evidence to support your claim.
    Those of us with a significant amount of common sense understand this without having to see any evidence.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Touche'

    But, I still believe that the actual movement to make blacks a permanent under-class was started by the Progressives, when they saw the political power to be gained.
    Way to big a conspiracy theory for it to even be plausible, but hey that's my story and I am sticking to it.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So were Native Americans.
    Yeah, I know and they were considered inferior as well.

    In these days... anyone without a religious belief in god was considered a savage....... You'll have to do better than this.
    Yeah, I know which is why early Virginia slave codes held that any non-Christian foreigner could be held as a slave. And the non-Christianity of blacks (and Native Americans) was one of the main reasons why both groups were considered inferior, particularly as most whites had some theistic/Christian belief. Thank you for further substantiating my claim.

    Im sure you have some proof of this... lol..
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    You don't think religion had nothing to do with it?

    Religion is a driving factor in how folks were treated hundreds of years ago..... as well as race.
    Uh, yeah, religion has something to do with it. The non-Christianity of blacks was one of the reasons they, as a "race", were considered inferior.

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