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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I understand but it's kind of hard to agree when out of roughly 360,000 blacks, 30,000 were free. It like saying well 100 people out of 100,000 survived! What great news! Hehehehe.
    I don't think that's Cain's point. I think he's trying to put to bed the falshoods and inaccuracies that have been stated in regard to slavery in the United States.

    It's been stated in the past, on other threads, that all blacks in the South were slaves, had no rights and were treated as inferior, which just ain't true.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because of culture, not because of race.
    It was made about race later.

    Native Americans and other races in other country's were tried out as slaves. Black Africans because of their ability to work long hours in the sun without dropping dead in short order made them an excellent choice. So I agree it started out as a culture thing but progressed into a race issue to justify keeping the institution valid. Of course their were other reasons, but race played a huge part latter on.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think that's Cain's point. I think he's trying to put to bed the falshoods and inaccuracies that have been stated in regard to slavery in the United States.

    It's been stated in the past, on other threads, that all blacks in the South were slaves, had no rights and were treated as inferior, which just ain't true.
    It is true. Of course they were treated badly everywhere in the US at the time. Like I said 330,000 compared to 34,000 is disgusting. After 1830 in NC they lost even the right to vote. So it's not like it got better.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It was made about race later.

    Native Americans and other races in other country's were tried out as slaves. Black Africans because of their ability to work long hours in the sun without dropping dead in short order made them an excellent choice. So I agree it started out as a culture thing but progressed into a race issue to justify keeping the institution valid. Of course their were other reasons, but race played a huge part latter on.
    You have got to be kidding me? You do realize you are perpetuating the same racial stereotypes that justified slavery before and during the Civil War - right?

    I wonder what the black freemen, or slaves, or former slaves of the per and anti-bellum perood would think of such arguments?
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because of culture, not because of race.
    RACISM was a part of the culture - read period literature, fiction and scientific.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It was made about race later.

    Native Americans and other races in other country's were tried out as slaves. Black Africans because of their ability to work long hours in the sun without dropping dead in short order made them an excellent choice. So I agree it started out as a culture thing but progressed into a race issue to justify keeping the institution valid. Of course their were other reasons, but race played a huge part latter on.
    I don't agree. I'm of the opinion that the effort to make blacks a permanent under-class in America didn't start until the NAACP was formed.
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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    RACISM was a part of the culture - read period literature, fiction and scientific.
    What gives that idea? Because they called black folks, "niggers"? You're making the same mistake that the hand wringers always make: looking at the time period through 21st Century glasses.

    In the 19th Century, calling a black person a nigger was no different than calling someone a hick, or a redneck today; two terms that I've been assured aren't racist.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So... if Chinese or Arab or Western Europeans Whites were being sold for a lower price do you think the slave traders would have still decided to get african slaves as well?
    I have no idea what the prices were for people of other races. However, I know Africans were bought for many reasons, not just money as you try to make it. They were also bought because of their physical ability and because they were viewed as an inferior "race", if not the most inferior race.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That idea eventually took hold after being taught to subsequent generations. It wasn't the original idea behind African slavery. It was originally that slaves could be obtained from Africa cheaper and easier than they could be obtained from anywhere else.
    You both keep trying to either take race completely out the equation or say that race only entered the equation later. This just isn't true. Africans were being called savages, inferior and many other derogatory names since the beginning of the slave trade. The main theories of science during the entire history of slavery were about the inferiority of blacks/Africans. Obviously factors other than race were a part of the story, but race was always a part of it and it increased over time.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What gives that idea? Because they called black folks, "niggers"?
    No, because the scientific literature at the time argued that blacks/Africans were inferior to whites/Europeans and because blacks/Africans were depicted as an animals and called "beasts" and "lower than human" in literature and other sources whereas whites were not. Just go find some sources at the time.

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    Re: Is the Confederate flag a symbol of treason?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    You have got to be kidding me? You do realize you are perpetuating the same racial stereotypes that justified slavery before and during the Civil War - right?

    I wonder what the black freemen, or slaves, or former slaves of the per and anti-bellum perood would think of such arguments?
    That's not a racial stereotype; that's a fact. Blacks, who grew up in Africa were better suited for working long hours in the hot, humid climate of the South.

    What do you think would happen, if you put a bunch of Norwegians in 100 degree heat, chopping sugar cane all day? They would all be dead, by the end of the week.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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